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#1 delved

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 12:32 PM

Full Tilt Poker Game #21467685418: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (165384506), Table 2 - 15/30 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:22:07 ET - 2010/06/08Seat 1: foraquid (1,500)Seat 2: wiscbadgers11 (1,500)Seat 3: pantangele (1,500)Seat 4: Thebangtrain (1,500)Seat 5: NDJOE (1,500)Seat 6: Fritz-Walter83 (1,500)Seat 7: VITERHOUSE84 (1,500)Seat 8: christianziel03 (1,500)Seat 9: Dg130 (1,500)foraquid posts the small blind of 15wiscbadgers11 posts the big blind of 30The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Thebangtrain [Ts 6s 7c 3c]pantangele raises to 105Thebangtrain calls 105NDJOE foldsFritz-Walter83 foldsVITERHOUSE84 foldschristianziel03 foldsDg130 foldsforaquid calls 90wiscbadgers11 folds*** FLOP *** [3h 2s 4c]foraquid checkspantangele checksThebangtrain checks*** TURN *** [3h 2s 4c] [9s]foraquid checkspantangele bets 195Thebangtrain calls 195foraquid folds*** RIVER *** [3h 2s 4c 9s] [As]pantangele checksThebangtrain..?
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Lennox21: push
Lennox21: I have AA
Lennox21: ty
Dealer: delved shows [Th Tc]
Dealer: Lennox21 shows [As Ac]
Dealer: delved shows three of a kind, Tens
Dealer: Lennox21 shows a pair of Aces
Dealer: delved wins the pot (66,621) with three of a kind, Tens
delved: no, thank you

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 01:35 PM

View Postdelved, on Tuesday, June 8th, 2010, 2:32 PM, said:

Full Tilt Poker Game #21467685418: $2 + $0.25 Sit & Go (165384506), Table 2 - 15/30 - Pot Limit Omaha Hi - 16:22:07 ET - 2010/06/08Seat 1: foraquid (1,500)Seat 2: wiscbadgers11 (1,500)Seat 3: pantangele (1,500)Seat 4: Thebangtrain (1,500)Seat 5: NDJOE (1,500)Seat 6: Fritz-Walter83 (1,500)Seat 7: VITERHOUSE84 (1,500)Seat 8: christianziel03 (1,500)Seat 9: Dg130 (1,500)foraquid posts the small blind of 15wiscbadgers11 posts the big blind of 30The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to Thebangtrain [Ts 6s 7c 3c]pantangele raises to 105Thebangtrain calls 105NDJOE foldsFritz-Walter83 foldsVITERHOUSE84 foldschristianziel03 foldsDg130 foldsforaquid calls 90wiscbadgers11 folds*** FLOP *** [3h 2s 4c]foraquid checkspantangele checksThebangtrain checks*** TURN *** [3h 2s 4c] [9s]foraquid checkspantangele bets 195Thebangtrain calls 195foraquid folds*** RIVER *** [3h 2s 4c 9s] [As]pantangele checksThebangtrain..?
obligatory "fold pre". Seriously though, you are poised to be playing from OOP and your hand makes very few nuts, which will lead to some difficult decisions in life.Based on the line taken, I'm led to believe that the blind limper flopped the straight and was hoping for the check raise. I'm not really giving this guy credit for betting out his non-nut flush draw, then checking it over. Odds are he has A5/56/99, or total air. That said, we don't want to run this guy off, nor do we want to bet thin enough that he finds value in raising a better non-nut flush. I fire out a bet of ~270-370 and hope to get paid off by the curious straight or set.If you are taking such a specuative flop (you shouldn't), and if you are calling a turn bet with 3 nut outs and 8 big improvement/non-nut outs...while holding otherwise total air right now (thin IMO), when you make a hand and the guy checks over to you, checking behind seems pretty damn weak compared to everything else you've done in the hand, right?

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 01:47 PM

It is a good thing that I did not play this hand then. I reversed pantangele and myself's spots. I had something like Js Tc Th 9c. He checked the end and I told him its laughable that he would check down when he made his hand. He then tried to justify that he wasn't even trying to make the flush, and called me an idiot. It was all hilarious.
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Lennox21: push
Lennox21: I have AA
Lennox21: ty
Dealer: delved shows [Th Tc]
Dealer: Lennox21 shows [As Ac]
Dealer: delved shows three of a kind, Tens
Dealer: Lennox21 shows a pair of Aces
Dealer: delved wins the pot (66,621) with three of a kind, Tens
delved: no, thank you

#4 MaxStPolish

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 01:56 PM

View Postdelved, on Tuesday, June 8th, 2010, 4:47 PM, said:

It is a good thing that I did not play this hand then. I reversed pantangele and myself's spots. I had something like Js Tc Th 9c. He checked the end and I told him its laughable that he would check down when he made his hand. He then tried to justify that he wasn't even trying to make the flush, and called me an idiot. It was all hilarious.
lol, sounds like we're on the same wavelength then :club:

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Posted 08 June 2010 - 08:20 PM

calling pre is horrid, either isolate or fold pre. i prefer folding pre. good hand to open, but this line blows from preflop. and i bet flop to be honest.
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