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Started by mtdesmoines, Jun 04 2010 11:40 AM

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#1 mtdesmoines

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 11:40 AM

Posted ImageFeral Cow Poker Hand ConverterNo Limit Hold'em $0.50/$1.00 - 8 playersButton: $21.50 SB: $77.50 BB: $36.35 UTG: $134.50 UTG+1: $141.35 MP: $98.00 HJ: $59.80 (Hero)CO: $207.45 Preflop: ($1.50) Hero is HJ with :club: :ts (8 players)UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to $3.50, MP folds, Hero calls $3.50, 4 foldsFlop: ($8.50) :jh :5c :qh (2 players)UTG+1 bets $4.25, Hero calls $4.25Turn: ($17.00) :3h (2 players)UTG+1 bets $9.50, Hero calls $9.50River: ($36.00) :4h (2 players)UTG+1 checks, Hero checks
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Posted 04 June 2010 - 04:24 PM

I think your line is ok, but I may be inclined to bet river. It appears villain could have JJ-AA and is afraid of the 4 card straight. I think it's 50/50 whether to bet or not.

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 05:45 PM

Online FR is so nitty nowadays that one pair is always a bluff catcher... this line is perfect in a vacuum tbh
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Posted 04 June 2010 - 05:54 PM

View PostNinja Ace, on Friday, June 4th, 2010, 5:45 PM, said:

Online FR is so nitty nowadays that one pair is always a bluff catcher... this line is perfect in a vacuum tbh
very well put
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Posted 04 June 2010 - 08:47 PM

what do you do when villian bets pot on river? fold? the reason i ask is because the way hero played this hand, if i'm villian, it looks exactly like a medium overpair...and with the way the board came out, i will fire all 3 streets with overs (ak, etc) and and overpairs (qq+) the exact same....

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Posted 04 June 2010 - 09:23 PM

View Postshynepo3, on Friday, June 4th, 2010, 9:47 PM, said:

what do you do when villian bets pot on river? fold? the reason i ask is because the way hero played this hand, if i'm villian, it looks exactly like a medium overpair...and with the way the board came out, i will fire all 3 streets with overs (ak, etc) and and overpairs (qq+) the exact same....
So if you have AK, and put villain on 10 10 or JJ you would fire all three streets expecting a fold?

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:51 AM

View Posthartman72, on Saturday, June 5th, 2010, 3:23 PM, said:

So if you have AK, and put villain on 10 10 or JJ you would fire all three streets expecting a fold?
Depends on the villian.If he's the type to fold overpairs when you barrell off, then do so.If he's the type to call down with overpairs when you barrell off, then don't.Simple really.

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 08:57 AM

View Posthartman72, on Saturday, June 5th, 2010, 1:23 AM, said:

So if you have AK, and put villain on 10 10 or JJ you would fire all three streets expecting a fold?
it depends really...but to observant players, i will play them similar., and show the a/k, successful or not..

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 09:17 AM

View Postshynepo3, on Friday, June 4th, 2010, 8:47 PM, said:

what do you do when villian bets pot on river? fold?
Most of the time, yup
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 10:08 AM

View PostNinja Ace, on Saturday, June 5th, 2010, 10:17 AM, said:

Most of the time, yup
Why are we calling on the turn then?

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Posted 05 June 2010 - 10:54 AM

View Posthartman72, on Saturday, June 5th, 2010, 10:08 AM, said:

Why are we calling on the turn then?
Because our hand is still ahead of a random's range
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 12:39 PM

View PostNinja Ace, on Saturday, June 5th, 2010, 10:54 AM, said:

Because our hand is still ahead of a random's range
exactly, and we could always catch a 10 on the river, i mean we managed the pot and played it well. too bad villain beat you still right?
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Posted 05 June 2010 - 03:37 PM

View Postrrumsey, on Saturday, June 5th, 2010, 12:39 PM, said:

exactly, and we could always catch a 10 on the river, i mean we managed the pot and played it well. too bad villain beat you still right?
my guess is MT is looking for value that isn't there
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"Mixing it up" doesn't magically rationalize anything you do. It's like you walk up to a pencil sharpener, pencil in hand, and think, "Everyone expects me to sharpen this pencil, but I'm going to mix it up." Then you whip out your cock and sharpen that instead and yell, "Ha ha, bitches, you never saw that coming!" Well, no, they didn't. But you still have a dull pencil and bleeding dick.
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