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#1 Poppy_Hillis

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 12:54 AM

Soooo, I had some friends over watching the Celtics Magic game before we went out, and it turned into......If the league started over and had a fantasy style snake draft to pick new teams, what would the draft order look like.Here's my top ten picks.1. Lebron James2. Dwight Howard3. Dwyane Wade4. Kevin Durant5. Carmelo Anthony6. Deron Williams7. Chris Paul8. Derrick Rose9. Kobe Bryant10. Dirk NowitzkiOther stuff came up like' all-time starting five; all-time greatest Laker; all-time greatest Clipper; greatest college player; etc. Basically, my favorite night as a human being.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 01:05 AM

Ok fine...Disclaimer: No research. Everything off top of the head.All-time five1-Magic Johnson2-Michael Jordan3-Larry Bird4-Tim Duncan5-Hakeem OlajuwonSixth Man-Kobe BryantGreatest Laker...Magic Johnson. Soon to be, Kobe Bryant.Greatest Clipper...Bill Walton? Ron HarperGreatest college player...Bill WaltonClose second, Lew AlcindorGreatest Point Guards...1. Magic Johnson2. Oscar Robertson3. Isiah Thomas4. John Stockton5. Gary PaytonGreatest Centers...1. Hakeem Olajuwon2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar3. Shaquille O'NealGreatest Power Forwards...1. Tim Duncan2. Charles Barkley3. Karl Malone

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 05:17 AM

View PostPoppy_Hillis, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 4:54 AM, said:

Soooo, I had some friends over watching the Celtics Magic game before we went out, and it turned into......If the league started over and had a fantasy style snake draft to pick new teams, what would the draft order look like.Here's my top ten picks.1. Lebron James2. Dwight Howard3. Dwyane Wade4. Kevin Durant5. Carmelo Anthony6. Deron Williams7. Chris Paul8. Derrick Rose9. Kobe Bryant10. Dirk NowitzkiOther stuff came up like' all-time starting five; all-time greatest Laker; all-time greatest Clipper; greatest college player; etc. Basically, my favorite night as a human being.
I would put Durant at 2, keep Wade at 3, and move Howard to 4. Kobe and Dirk are way too old to be in the top 10 (especially Dirk who has no business on this list.....Kobe is so good I can almost see it).
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:43 AM

If the league started over the myth that Duncan is a Power Forward wouldn't be there and he would be compared with the great historical centers and this stupid he's the greatest power forward ever crap wouldn't be out there.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:56 AM

View PostFCP Bob, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:43 AM, said:

If the league started over the myth that Duncan is a Power Forward wouldn't be there and he would be compared with the great historical centers and this stupid he's the greatest power forward ever crap wouldn't be out there.
Why is it a Myth that Duncan is a PF? When he came into the L, he played next to David Robinson as a PF, and though there were stints in his career he has played Center (mainly because he is that good), he has mainly played as a PF. Nazr Mohammed, Radoslav Nesterovic and Francisco Elson are all true centers, and they recently brought in McDyess to play C. Who do you think qualifies as the greatest PF ever?
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:06 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:17 AM, said:

I would put Durant at 2, keep Wade at 3, and move Howard to 4. Kobe and Dirk are way too old to be in the top 10 (especially Dirk who has no business on this list.....Kobe is so good I can almost see it).
I'd keep howard at 2, and put durant at 3 I think. Big men are just too valuable. I don't know that dirk has "No business" on the list. I think people tend to under rate him ( particularly because the media has branded him a loser and a choker). But he is what, 30 now.. I dunno, he still has several good seasons left. But I could be talked into slotting someone like Bosh into this spot.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:10 AM

View PostBigDMcGee, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:06 AM, said:

I don't know that dirk has "No business" on the list. I think people tend to under rate him ( particularly because the media has branded him a loser and a choker). But he is what, 30 now.. I dunno, he still has several good seasons left. But I could be talked into slotting someone like Bosh into this spot.
32 next month. I'd pick Rondo over Dirk. I'd also move Paul down because we don't know about his knee.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:14 AM

View PostPoppy_Hillis, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 3:05 AM, said:

Ok fine...Disclaimer: No research. Everything off top of the head.Greatest Point Guards...1. Magic Johnson2. Oscar Robertson3. Isiah Thomas4. John Stockton5. Gary Payton Jason KiddGreatest Centers...1. Hakeem Olajuwon2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar3. Shaquille O'Neal Wilt Chamberlain
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:38 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 11:10 AM, said:

32 next month. I'd pick Rondo over Dirk. I'd also move Paul down because we don't know about his knee.
hmmm. Rondo. Yeah, I suppose.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:38 AM

View PostJadeTiger, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 11:14 AM, said:

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I'm pretty sure he was just picking players he watched play in his life time. Wilt can't be on that list.Change that, he has oscar on this other list. Hmmm. Odd.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:47 AM

I personally would rather have Payton at his peak than kid. Better defender and more effective scorer. Depends how you make the list, I suppose, but I would make it at " who would I want in their prime. " and give no points for longevity.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:58 AM

I am a huge fan of both Kidd and Payton, so I'll take them over Stockton. I agree that the more interesting discussion is based on their peak performance. Longevity, while commendable and valuable and all that, is boring.I'm also going to make my lists based on people I've seen because if it's everyone, I'm just going to defer to Bill Simmons' BoB, since he read and watched more basketball for that book than I've done in my lifetime.Anyway, here's my dream team, with the caveat that it's not necessarily who I think is the best, just who I want.MagicMichaelLarryBarkleyShaqBut how about this team?PaytonMichaelPippenRodmanHakeemGo ahead, try to score on us. If Nash somehow won the title this year, how far up the PG list does he go?
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 09:13 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 10:58 AM, said:

If Nash somehow won the title this year, how far up the PG list does he go?
Nash has a lot working against him right now. Namely the style the Suns play. I mean Nash was good in Dallas, but playing in the Run-and-Gun style implemented by Mike D'Antoni has only inflated his numbers. The Suns style 'help' a lot of players appear better than they are. Except for Joe Johnson, everyone that has played on the Suns, and left over the last 6 years, has seen a steep decline in their production on other teams. I know that other factors play into it, but I have a feeling Nash wouldnt be quite as productive in another system. So when you compare him to the greats, I am not sure he stands out quite as much. That being said, he has taken an unproven formula and made the most of it. If the Suns find a way to win it all, it will help the argument, but wont solidify his place at the top, imo. He will need to prove he can play in another system, before I rank him that high. The other thing working against him, is his production came pretty late in his career. He only started avg 10+ assts and 50% FG when he came back to the Suns in 2004 after being in the L for 8 years.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:01 AM

View PostBigDMcGee, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:38 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure he was just picking players he watched play in his life time. Wilt can't be on that list.Change that, he has oscar on this other list. Hmmm. Odd.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:13 AM

View PostPoppy_Hillis, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 12:01 PM, said:

Wilt can suck it, he was just ahead of his time.Wilt Chamberlain...DOUCHE!
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:15 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:58 AM, said:

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That would be one helluva team to watch.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:23 AM

Chris PaulKobe BryantLebron JamesChris BoshDwight HowardThese guys might put up some points...Sick...
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 10:25 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:58 AM, said:

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If I had to pick a starting 5 that would work the best together, in their prime, it would be this, possibly Stockton in place of Payton.I had actually come up with this list before I saw what you put.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 11:27 AM

View PostEl Guapo, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 1:25 PM, said:

If I had to pick a starting 5 that would work the best together, in their prime, it would be this, possibly Stockton in place of Payton.I had actually come up with this list before I saw what you put.
I think I'd put magic. we don't really need gp's defense with the rest of the team, and I'd rather have magic than stockton.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 12:20 PM

View PostBigDMcGee, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 12:27 PM, said:

I think I'd put magic. we don't really need gp's defense with the rest of the team, and I'd rather have magic than stockton.
Stockton was a better shooter, can knock down the open 3. We would need one person to stretch the defense, keep the double downs honest. GP was probably a slightly worse shooter than Stockton, that is why John gets the nod.



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