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#21 Naked_Cowboy

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 05:55 AM

View PostGOCUBSGO, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 1:26 AM, said:

I'm sure this is already happening to a certain extent, but why isn't the government taking their most knowledgeable/capable/creative minds
I had to stop here because the brightest minds working for Obama don't seem to understand freshman level economics. I think petroleum engineering might be a bit of a stretch for them.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:08 AM

View PostNaked_Cowboy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:55 AM, said:

I had to stop here because the brightest minds working for Obama don't seem to understand freshman level economics.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:11 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 12:01 PM, said:

So obviously there are plenty of things the administration could be doing..
aren't you anti-government, pro-privatization, pro-free market everything? shouldn't you be asking, 'why isn't the free market/private capital handling this better?'

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:41 AM

View PostNaked_Cowboy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:55 AM, said:

I had to stop here because the brightest minds working for Obama don't seem to understand freshman level economics. I think petroleum engineering might be a bit of a stretch for them.
I'm pretty sure that the people who work for Obama teach freshman year economics at Harvard...

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:42 AM

View Postmk, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 7:11 AM, said:

aren't you anti-government, pro-privatization, pro-free market everything? shouldn't you be asking, 'why isn't the free market/private capital handling this better?'
I don't think that describes me at all.I've said before, I want capitalism with a bit of socialism.Ayn Rand style capitalism would fail in the long run.I admit that my main motive is to stick it to Obama, after all, his response has been pretty meh. [Other than today's announcementthat this gives him full justification to consider banning all off shore drilling. Just a month after announcing that off shore drilling was going to get his support.]But I also kind of expected that something would have been done about this by now. It's been 39 days now. Apparently this isn't going to be fixed anytime soon. I would bet most of us would have lost money betting the over/under on how long before they stop the flow of oil into the gulf with the line set at 35 days.And as Henry pointed out, Obama is getting way too much of a pass for his actions to date.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:49 AM

View Postmk, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:08 AM, said:

super sighs
A+ trolling. Ignore the dozen posts I made directed at you in threads you were reading and respond to this one. High five!

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:41 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure that the people who work for Obama teach freshman year economics at Harvard...
Ok... pretend to not understand how basic supply and demand works for a pleasant lie to pass the cluster**** of the healthcare bill. Better?
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 06:57 AM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 7:41 AM, said:

I'm pretty sure that the people who work for Obama teach freshman year economics at Harvard...
Didn't Bush graduate from that school.And didn't he take those classes to get a degree in business?
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:06 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:57 AM, said:

Didn't Bush graduate from that school.
So typical of a Republican, always trying to bring things back to Bush.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:08 AM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:06 AM, said:

So typical of a Republican, always trying to bring things back to Bush.
Just trying to decide if Harvard as a school is so great that anyone who graduates from it are the bomb...Or the school is not living up to your accolades.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:25 AM

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Other than today's announcement that this gives him full justification to consider banning all off shore drilling. Just a month after announcing that off shore drilling was going to get his support.]
A lot has happened in that month.

View PostBalloon guy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:42 AM, said:

And as Henry pointed out, Obama is getting way too much of a pass for his actions to date.
But again, what actions do you want him to take? Other than the "Bush got shit for katrina, it's not fair, it's not FAIR" argument, I just don't see what people want the US government in general, and Obama specifically to do.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:29 AM

View PostBigDMcGee, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:25 AM, said:

A lot has happened in that month.
Not really. If this was a common occurrence than that would be one thing. When a single accident causes to you to take radical steps, then the phrase over reaction comes to mind

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But again, what actions do you want him to take? Other than the "Bush got shit for katrina, it's not fair, it's not FAIR" argument, I just don't see what people want the US government in general, and Obama specifically to do.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:35 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 10:29 AM, said:

Not really. If this was a common occurrence than that would be one thing. When a single accident causes to you to take radical steps, then the phrase over reaction comes to mind
Yeah, a single catastrophic accident. Because there was never one of these before, people couldn't really see the risk. Obviously, the risk of one of these oil rigs blowing up is small, but given the massive disaster that occurs when it does happen, people need to seriously consider if the risk of offshore drilling is worth it. How common of an occurrence do you need a catastrophic environmental disaster to be to make off shore drilling not worth it? I don't think people realize how ****ed the gulf is going to be, for how long.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:43 AM

I may have to apologize for this thread.Apparently Obama has taken action.Yesterday he told his aids to "Plug the d$%# hole!"Glad he is so smart
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:46 AM

View PostNaked_Cowboy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 9:49 AM, said:

A+ trolling. Ignore the dozen posts I made directed at you in threads you were reading and respond to this one. High five!
i disagree with you on: basically everything. not sure what else you want from me.

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:50 AM

View PostBigDMcGee, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 5:31 PM, said:

Here's the thing, though. BP has about 100 times more knowledge about how to plug one of these holes that the Government does, so other than exerting pressure on BP to fix it faster, I don't know what anyone thinks the government can do that BP can'tOther than a small contained nuclear blast, which I heard worked in stopping one of these leaks in russia. The reason BP doesn't want to do this, I've heard, is it would make the field undrillable.
Hey, I heard that too. I bet we heard it from the same place.If this would work while making the field undrillable, should the government force this action?I think they should. Obviously BP is trying to protect its bottom line, but it seems to me like the repercussions on everyone else are serious enough to warrant government intervention.
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:55 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 10:08 AM, said:

Just trying to decide if Harvard as a school is so great that anyone who graduates from it are the bomb...Or the school is not living up to your accolades.
A) Harvard sucks. Bunch of pompous rich kids getting churned out into i-bankersB) Anyone can get into Harvard Business school if that were really their goal, especially if their dad will send the CIA to assassinate the dean if they don't get inC) Small difference between taking classes and teaching classesD) Why am I responding to this bait? Shouldn't I be doing actual work (yes, I should)

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Posted 27 May 2010 - 07:55 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 10:50 AM, said:

Hey, I heard that too. I bet we heard it from the same place.If this would work while making the field undrillable, should the government force this action?I think they should. Obviously BP is trying to protect its bottom line, but it seems to me like the repercussions on everyone else are serious enough to warrant government intervention.
I agree 100 percent, I think trying to preserve the oil field while continuing to wreck the gulf coast is the epitome of corporate selfishness , and exactly what the government is for, to protect to public good. Note I'm not making the statement "selfishness" as a value judgement. It makes sense why a corporation would want to protect it's resources. They make money from drilling oil, not from fishing shrimp or tourism. It's just that I think the interest of our society out weight the economic self interest of bp
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:00 AM

View PostLongLiveYorke, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:55 AM, said:

A) Harvard sucks. Bunch of pompous rich kids getting churned out into i-bankersB) Anyone can get into Harvard Business school if that were really their goal, especially if their dad will send the CIA to assassinate the dean if they don't get inC) Small difference between taking classes and teaching classesD) Why am I responding to this bait? Shouldn't I be doing actual work (yes, I should)
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:01 AM

View PostBigDMcGee, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 8:55 AM, said:

I agree 100 percent, I think trying to preserve the oil field while continuing to wreck the gulf coast is the epitome of corporate selfishness , and exactly what the government is for, to protect to public good. Note I'm not making the statement "selfishness" as a value judgement. It makes sense why a corporation would want to protect it's resources. They make money from drilling oil, not from fishing shrimp or tourism. It's just that I think the interest of our society out weight the economic self interest of bp
So then you think the government should get involved and force BP to set aside their selfish motives and fix the problem?Or do you think the stock holders of BP should take care of this?
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Posted 27 May 2010 - 08:12 AM

View PostBalloon guy, on Thursday, May 27th, 2010, 11:01 AM, said:

So then you think the government should get involved and force BP to set aside their selfish motives and fix the problem?Or do you think the stock holders of BP should take care of this?
I'm saying that if there's a solution that will stop the oil leak, but it also will make the field undrillable, then that option should be taken, because the damage this oil to society is greater than the benefit we will get by drilling it. I don't know that such a solution exists, btw. But if it's being withheld because BP doesn't want to lose the field, then yes, that's when I think gov. should step in. But again, I don't know if such a thing exists, I just heard on a sports radio show that russia capped one of these spills with a nuclear blast. Random sports radio shows aren't exactly the authority I hope our government is using to make this sort of decision.
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