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[Balloon guy]

Roll the Bones, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 11:42 AM, said:

BG, sometimes it's just fun to point out how wrong and bigoted you can be. Obviously if they were all athiests we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Pot...Kettle

[JoeyJoJo]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 11:50 AM, said:

Joe's....on Bleakers....in Santa Monica....Something is not computing here.

Is it because neither one of you can spell Bleecker?

[Balloon guy]

JoeyJoJo, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

Is it because neither one of you can spell Bleecker?

I can't get this out of my head now...

[JoeyJoJo]

I hear vb has that effect on people.

vbnautilus, on Thursday, April 1st, 2010, 12:33 PM, said:

Actual picture from my office:

[vbnautilus]

JoeyJoJo, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 11:51 AM, said:

Is it because neither one of you can spell Bleecker?

i was closer.

[Balloon guy]

vbnautilus, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 11:59 AM, said:

i was closer.

Situational reality once again justifying your positions on truth?

[SlapStick]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 5:46 PM, said:

"The Islamic method of waging war is not to kill innocent civilians."?

I took that to mean that Islam does not fight like the terrorists, basically denouncing them.

[Balloon guy]

SlapStick, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 12:10 PM, said:

I took that to mean that Islam does not fight like the terrorists, basically denouncing them.

I guess that's one way to see it.But when the guy is generalizing all of Christianity with the actions of the military during WW2..it's kind of hard to assume he was using fine tuned specifics in the next phrase...Plus you have the whole history thing of the 'Religion of the Sword'

[Roll the Bones]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 3:15 PM, said:

Plus you have the whole history thing of the 'Religion of the Sword'

No one gets to their heaven without a fight.

[BigDMcGee]

Okay, I'll bite.I think this comes down to a basic question of, are muslims, in general, and the religion of islam, as a whole, our enemy or not. If they are our enemy, they not only should the mosque not be allowed to be built 2 blocks from the towers, it should not be allowed 20 blocks from the towers, 200 blocks from the towers, or two states from the towers. The logic of preventing them to build a most there, should apply to preventing them to build it anywhere. But, if Islam, the religion, is not our enemy, but rather specific fridge radical islamic groups, then I don't see how we can possibly justify preventing the building of this mosque. This country aspires to be a free one, and the free exercise of religion is pretty high up there on the list of our rights as citizens. It may hurt the feelings of the familys of twin towers victims, who can not separate the religion of Islam from the radical muslims that destroyed the towers, but to be frank, we can not take their feelings into consideration. Maintaining the principals our country was founded on is more important than the feelings of any interest group.That said, could the people who are founding the mosque exercise a little more sensitivity and common sense then founding a mosque withing spitting distance of ground zero? Absolutely. They obviously picked the spot to be provocative and confrontational. But when we set up a principal like " the free exercise of religion" we don't get to pick and choose which religions get to be practiced freely. Even assholes have the right to practice their religion in our country.

[nutzbuster]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 10:49 AM, said:

So would you say that New York STYLE of pizza is the best?Or Chicago?Because I have always found both to basically suck.Give me California Pizza anytime.But not that California Pizza Kitchen stuff, that stuff is like cardboard.

click on that first link in my post.click on the Pizzeria Bianco box. Then click the little menu box. It'll give you a picture of a typical pizza in an oven there. semi soft, semi crisp, perfectly balanced taste. so damn good.

[Balloon guy]

BigDMcGee, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 1:28 PM, said:

Okay, I'll bite.I think this comes down to a basic question of, are muslims, in general, and the religion of islam, as a whole, our enemy or not. If they are our enemy, they not only should the mosque not be allowed to be built 2 blocks from the towers, it should not be allowed 20 blocks from the towers, 200 blocks from the towers, or two states from the towers. The logic of preventing them to build a most there, should apply to preventing them to build it anywhere. But, if Islam, the religion, is not our enemy, but rather specific fridge radical islamic groups, then I don't see how we can possibly justify preventing the building of this mosque. This country aspires to be a free one, and the free exercise of religion is pretty high up there on the list of our rights as citizens. It may hurt the feelings of the familys of twin towers victims, who can not separate the religion of Islam from the radical muslims that destroyed the towers, but to be frank, we can not take their feelings into consideration. Maintaining the principals our country was founded on is more important than the feelings of any interest group.That said, could the people who are founding the mosque exercise a little more sensitivity and common sense then founding a mosque withing spitting distance of ground zero? Absolutely. They obviously picked the spot to be provocative and confrontational. But when we set up a principal like " the free exercise of religion" we don't get to pick and choose which religions get to be practiced freely. Even assholes have the right to practice their religion in our country.

The problem becomes one of others using our freedoms to set in place the vehicles to remove those very freedoms from us.Do we ignore the probable future or do we recognize that we restrict the freedom to bare arms from people who have shown themselves to be unable to be trusted with that freedom?

[BigDMcGee]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 3:45 PM, said:

The problem becomes one of others using our freedoms to set in place the vehicles to remove those very freedoms from us.Do we ignore the probable future or do we recognize that we restrict the freedom to bare arms from people who have shown themselves to be unable to be trusted with that freedom?

But once again, why does being two blocks from the twin towers matter? IF you think muslims are dangerous, and "Can't be trusted" to exercise their religion freely, aren't the just a dangerous in brooklyn as they would be next to ground zero? IF you think their religion, in general, is a seditious, criminal and dangerous, then call for it's to be banned in the country, and it's practitioners deported or arrested. Don't beat around the bush and prevent them to build 2 blocks from the twin towers, because that's just arbitrary.

[Balloon guy]

BigDMcGee, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 1:56 PM, said:

But once again, why does being two blocks from the twin towers matter? IF you think muslims are dangerous, and "Can't be trusted" to exercise their religion freely, aren't the just a dangerous in brooklyn as they would be next to ground zero? IF you think their religion, in general, is a seditious, criminal and dangerous, then call for it's to be banned in the country, and it's practitioners deported or arrested. Don't beat around the bush and prevent them to build 2 blocks from the twin towers, because that's just arbitrary.

The location isn't exactly accidental though. This was a clothing store, that had the landing gear from one of the planes crush the roof. And it's no me, it's the people in NY who are asking it not to built there.They have over 200 Mosque on the island already...

[BigDMcGee]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 4:00 PM, said:

The location isn't exactly accidental though. This was a clothing store, that had the landing gear from one of the planes crush the roof. And it's no me, it's the people in NY who are asking it not to built there.They have over 200 Mosque on the island already...

I did not say it was accidental. Obviously these muslims who are building it, as I said before, are trying to be proactive and confrontational. BUt the question is, are they criminal or not. Because if not, you have to let them build there. And if they are, they should be in jail or deported. There's a difference, of course, between "do they have the legal right to build a mosque there" ( which I believe they do). and should they exercise some common sense and sensitivity and not build there ( I believe they should exercise it, and not build there). Obviously, they are some sort of activists that want the attention ( and confrontation) that building a mosque in that location will bring them. I find it distasteful, but i would find it more distasteful if we prevented them from building it.

[nutzbuster]

It's a dick move. period.

[Roll the Bones]

Balloon guy, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 4:45 PM, said:

The problem becomes one of others using our freedoms to set in place the vehicles to remove those very freedoms from us.Do we ignore the probable future or do we recognize that we restrict the freedom to bare arms from people who have shown themselves to be unable to be trusted with that freedom?

Unfortunately Christians get the right to vote so taking guns from them would be unlikely. Wait, what?

[Roll the Bones]

nutzbuster, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 5:14 PM, said:

It's a dick move. period.

Why? It doesn't seem like a radical organization. From the Cordoba Initiative website-Healing the Relationship between the Islamic World and the West …Each of us has the right to take pride in our particular faith or heritage. But the notion that what is ours is necessarily in conflict with what is theirs is both false and dangerous. It has resulted in endless enmity and conflict, leading men to commit the greatest of crimes in the name of a higher power. It need not be so. People of different religions and cultures live side by side in almost every part of the world, and most of us have overlapping identities which unite us with very different groups. We can love what we are, without hating what—and who—we are not. It seems they support alot of multicultural events and we don't know how long they owned the land, possibly before 9/11 which made them a target as well.

[El Guapo]

I'm confused, do people actually think it's ok for a Muslim Mosque to be built on the site where Muslim Extremists, in the name of their Religion, waged war and killed over 3,000 people?If a group of people bombed Big Ben, claimed to be Catholics against the state of England, do you think there is any chance a Catholic Church would then be erected in the same spot 10 years later?Free country or not, this is just asinine. Who would sell the land to someone who wanted to do that?

[BigDMcGee]

El Guapo, on Wednesday, May 26th, 2010, 5:30 PM, said:

I'm confused, do people actually think it's ok for a Muslim Mosque to be built on the site where Muslim Extremists, in the name of their Religion, waged war and killed over 3,000 people?

Do I think it's okay, or do I think it should be prevented?