help with this hand...

[rwood 0]

Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (9 handed) converterPreflop: Hero is BB with 3:diamond:, 4:heart:. 3 folds, MP2 calls, 2 folds, Button calls, 1 fold, Hero checks.Flop: (3.60 SB) 5:spade:, A:club:, 9:heart: (3 players)Hero checks, MP2 checks, Button checks.Turn: (1.80 BB) 7:spade: (3 players)Hero bets, MP2 calls, Button folds.River: (3.80 BB) 4:spade: (2 players)Hero bets, MP2 calls.Final Pot: 5.80 BBMP2 showed A:diamond:, A:spade:, for trip aces...ok i pick up a double gutshot on the turn, and a flush draw falls, i am in first position so i lead out hoping to pick up the pot, but knowing i still have a good amount of clean outs...i scare card spaid falls on the river, i lead it, knowing that if i get reraised im folding and hoping for a fold, also, by some miracle my 4's may be good...anyways, i like how i played the hand, but i def. would love some feedback...

[Dirtydutch 9]

I don't like it at 5/10I'd check, check.

[rwood 0]

what do you mean? what dont you like at 5/10? the guy's play or mine?

[wrto4556 0]

The turn bet is fine.check/fold the river.

[wrto4556 0]

I heard 5-full at party is a rock garden. How's it playing?

[KDawgCometh 2]

I don't like it at 5/10I'd check, check.  

I don't like it in general. The only thing I agree with is the turn bet, but I really hate the river bet, we can't really beat much of anything

[cdddc75 0]

I don't like it at 5/10I'd check, check.  

I don't like it in general. The only thing I agree with is the turn bet, but I really hate the river bet, we can't really beat much of anything

Why get involved in such a small pot with a six out draw (at best) by leading the turn?

[wrto4556 0]

They may fold the turn. There was no action on the flop so a almost any baby may win us the hand on the river when we're called.

[KDawgCometh 2]

I don't like it at 5/10I'd check, check.  

I don't like it in general. The only thing I agree with is the turn bet, but I really hate the river bet, we can't really beat much of anything

Why get involved in such a small pot with a six out draw (at best) by leading the turn?

I'm betting out to try to take the pot down right there, since that doesn't happen, I know that I have to hit my draw to win it

[cdddc75 0]

I don't like it at 5/10I'd check, check.  

I don't like it in general. The only thing I agree with is the turn bet, but I really hate the river bet, we can't really beat much of anything

Why get involved in such a small pot with a six out draw (at best) by leading the turn?

I'm betting out to try to take the pot down right there, since that doesn't happen, I know that I have to hit my draw to win it

The pot's not worth attempting a takedown out of position.The turn and river bets were chip spews.

[wrto4556 0]

that's true. The pot is very small.

[cdddc75 0]

that's true. The pot is very small.

Our hero ended up spending 2 BB trying to take a 1.8 BB pot with a poor holding.Don't like it at all.In a bigger pot...different story.

[KDawgCometh 2]

that's true. The pot is very small.

Our hero ended up spending 2 BB trying to take a 1.8 BB pot with a poor holding.Don't like it at all.In a bigger pot...different story.

well, if we are just betting the turn we are using 1 BB to take down 1.8. I have no problem with that at all, but I'm only betting the turn and not the river

[wrto4556 0]

We have to get both the players to fold roughly 35% of the time. 10% of the time we improve to the best hand...so really, we have to get them to fold 25% of the time. im not sure where im going with this... :?

[cdddc75 0]

that's true. The pot is very small.

Our hero ended up spending 2 BB trying to take a 1.8 BB pot with a poor holding.Don't like it at all.In a bigger pot...different story.

well, if we are just betting the turn we are using 1 BB to take down 1.8. I have no problem with that at all, but I'm only betting the turn and not the river

Without reads, it seems like leading out against two opponents on this 1.8 to 1 proposition is -EV. It needs to work about 36% of the time to be profitable.

[rwood 0]

i guess i did get a little overly aggressive...i have been playing NL the last few months, and just started playing my limit game again a few nights ago (i like to try to stay a somewhat well rounded...)...so i guess i was just a little to agg, trying to pick up the small pot, i guess a NL tendancy..i saw the spade on the river as a good card for me to lead into, i do agree the pot was too small, while my river bet was def. questionable(i DEFINITELY AGREE with that after seeing responses) but i think the turn lead was a good bet...wrto, the 5/10 games are really soft...thats to be expected on party... it's always fun switching from NL to Limit...also, kdawg and wrto, you guys playing PL anything at all? i've been playing a lot more lately, just wondering if you guys have any comments about your pl play...thxalso who is going to be 21 next year? i say we have a fcp get together next year at the wsop...i will be playing in 1 or 2 small events, and i think it would be tight for the long time fcp'ers to get together and run over some tables....my boss is letting me use his place in vegas, so we can all party after one of the fcp'ers makes a final table or something...we should def. do it...

[KDawgCometh 2]

that's true. The pot is very small.

Our hero ended up spending 2 BB trying to take a 1.8 BB pot with a poor holding.Don't like it at all.In a bigger pot...different story.

well, if we are just betting the turn we are using 1 BB to take down 1.8. I have no problem with that at all, but I'm only betting the turn and not the river

Without reads, it seems like leading out against two opponents on this 1.8 to 1 proposition is -EV. It needs to work about 36% of the time to be profitable.

yes, but you are also improving to a straight ~20% of the time by the river to boot, and six cards for the nut straight, so it can work less than 36% of the time to be a good play

[KDawgCometh 2]

i guess i did get a little overly aggressive...i have been playing NL the last few months, and just started playing my limit game again a few nights ago (i like to try to stay a somewhat well rounded...)...so i guess i was just a little to agg, trying to pick up the small pot, i guess a NL tendancy..i saw the spade on the river as a good card for me to lead into, i do agree the pot was too small, while my river bet was def. questionable(i DEFINITELY AGREE with that after seeing responses) but i think the turn lead was a good bet...wrto, the 5/10 games are really soft...thats to be expected on party...  it's always fun switching from NL to Limit...also, kdawg and wrto, you guys playing PL anything at all? i've been playing a lot more lately, just wondering if you guys have any comments about your pl play...thxalso who is going to be 21 next year? i say we have a fcp get together next year at the wsop...i will be playing in 1 or 2 small events, and i think it would  be tight for the long time fcp'ers to get together and run over some tables....my boss is letting me use his place in vegas, so we can all party after one of the fcp'ers makes a final table or something...we should def. do it...

As for me, I'm very good at PLO. I don't really play PLHE, but will give it a try at some point. I'm already over 21(25) so I may go to Vegas for the prelim events next year, but I really want to go to the world cup in Germany, so I'd have to see when they are holding the WSOP next year

[dEv~ 19]

I guess the general answer is that your turn bet wasn't terrible...but the river was pretty bad. A check then call wouldn't have been as bad considering that I'm pretty sure you would have called a raise on the river there after betting. But once he called you on the turn you had to think you were beat. Its still not that big of a pot to fight over...just try to check it down next time unless you hit your straight.

[wrto4556 0]

I turn 21 next month(July 1st) and im looking for an apartment to move into august 1st. I'm definately down for some FCP in las vegas.

[cdddc75 0]

yes, but you are also improving to a straight ~20% of the time by the river to boot, and six cards for the nut straight, so it can work less than 36% of the time to be a good play

You can't improve to a nut straight with that turn card. You could be drawing dead already. With the straight draw, I guess it only has to work about 30% of the time. A marginal play, but maybe slightly +EV.