the 25k q. is “how do you know when you are beat?"

[Actuary 3]

For example, playing $ 0.10 / 0.25, we have a fella calling everything. For example, calling $6 (pot size) bets with AJ on the turn (two overs to the board) and catching his J. Ok…that happens, so I note. Then I get pocket Jacks in 3rd pos, raise pf to $2 and he is the only caller. BTW, I’ve been playing <25% of all flops, and winning around 45% if I see the flop. Flop comes Q,2,3, rainbow. I overbet..$6 into $4.35 pot. I’m thinking: a) Build it up because I’m likely ahead, B) Maybe he’ll finally fold his A-10ish hand. He calls. Turn brings another under card to my J’s but the second heart, I bet $12 (pot is $16). He calls. River comes with a under card Heart. I bet $15, putting him all in. He calls, shows Q-10 of Hearts. Flush..but he had me beat on flop all along. Of course I was upset with myself losing ~ $30 with something less than top pair even, but I really figured he was beat. The 3rd Heart didn’t concern me because only one had flopped and I didn’t see him chasing back-door. My general question is: Is there anyway to know when a calling station has you beat? Or how do you play against one? I overbet to try to prevent drawing or maximize my EV, not knowing he had me the whole time. Or even more general, when do you know your hand is good and should keep pushing, vs being up against a stronger hand that is slow playing? Any signs? Although I don't put his top pair into the slow-playing a monster category, obviously, but for cases when someone flops, say a set and you're betting top pair to prevent a flush draw (or so you think). I’m not asking: is JJ a dominating hand with a Q on board. Specifically, we all had a read on this guy, that he calls to see all 5 with any outs. feel free to flame me that’s how I will learn.later.

[wrto4556 0]

flame

[Actuary 3]

thanks, i'm better already!

[gobears 0]

My general question is:  Is there anyway to know when a calling station has you beat?  

After he turns over his cards.You make him pay for sticking around; bet so that he's not getting the right odds. If he hits his outs, well that's poker. I don't typically bluff at a calling station and will be more careful with throwing out any probe or continuation bets when the flop missed me.As an aside:I was in a tournament yesterday with one of the biggest calling stations that I've ever seen. First off, I don't recall him ever folding pre-flop and he would typically call down with middle or bottom pair. Early on, he called my raise pre-flop when I had AK with his 2 4 o. The flop was 10 4 3 rainbow. I bet out with a continuation bet and he called with his pair of 4's. Turn and River were blanks. I stopped betting and he min bet the turn and river. I called the min bets just to see what he had. Geez.The table adjusted quickly and you typically had the calling station getting into it with someone who had a hand. No more bluffs at the table. He actually called someone on the river with an 8 high in his hand on a board with 9 10 J A 5 (he missed his idiot end OESD and then called the river bet anyways).After he got knocked down below par, he started going in all-in with almost any two cards pre-flop. The funniest moment was his all-in, someone called him who had a high pocket pair. Flop was K K 3 and of course he had the Krablar to double up. He lasted a long time in the tournament actually if you can believe it.

[dms26 3]

My general question is:  Is there anyway to know when a calling station has you beat?  

After he turns over his cards.You make him pay for sticking around; bet so that he's not getting the right odds. If he hits his outs, well that's poker. I don't typically bluff at a calling station and will be more careful with throwing out any probe or continuation bets when the flop missed me.As an aside:I was in a tournament yesterday with one of the biggest calling stations that I've ever seen. First off, I don't recall him ever folding pre-flop and he would typically call down with middle or bottom pair. Early on, he called my raise pre-flop when I had AK with his 2 4 o. The flop was 10 4 3 rainbow. I bet out with a continuation bet and he called with his pair of 4's. Turn and River were blanks. I stopped betting and he min bet the turn and river. I called the min bets just to see what he had. Geez.The table adjusted quickly and you typically had the calling station getting into it with someone who had a hand. No more bluffs at the table. He actually called someone on the river with an 8 high in his hand on a board with 9 10 J A 5 (he missed his idiot end OESD and then called the river bet anyways).After he got knocked down below par, he started going in all-in with almost any two cards pre-flop. The funniest moment was his all-in, someone called him who had a high pocket pair. Flop was K K 3 and of course he had the Krablar to double up. He lasted a long time in the tournament actually if you can believe it.

I believe it, you can't make them go away. They just keep getting lucky somehow.

[Rocketwadster 0]

For me, I know I am beat when I see that there is a possible 4-outer or less way for me to lose the hand before the river card, and then one of those outs hits on the river. Definately a good time to fold... :wink:

[bascomeb 0]

you should've played it slower with the Queen out there and def. a lot slower once he called.If someone is a calling station then wait for the right spots when you have him dominated. Say if you had trips there. But having JJ isn't that threatning anymore with the Queen out tehre

[Guest]

you should've played it slower with the Queen out there and def. a lot slower once he called.If someone is a calling station then wait for the right spots when you have him dominated. Say if you had trips there. But having JJ isn't that threatning anymore with the Queen out tehre

I agree totally. Calling stations can turn into ATM's if you let them hand themselves. I don't really target them, but I might not play into them as much with mediocre hands. In this case, even against a calling machine, JJ with an overcard and possible flush draw is average to slightly above average. I will usually play tight when they are in a hand until I get the nuts or second best against them. One thing I noticed is that few callers like that will bluff. They call when drawing, and bet when they have it. If they are calling when you have a premium hand, make it hurt. That's the only way you can play against them effectively without risking huge pots on lucky draws. I am usually pretty aggressive, but unfortunately against poor players like that, being aggressive can really backfire...

[Abbaddabba 0]

So long as you avoid the massive continuation bets, they're no problem once you identify them. Don't overbet the pot twice on a coordinated board when you have less than top pair, that much should be obvious.Bet the flop if you think you're leading. If you're called, slow down if a scare card comes. Calling stations will rarely bluff, so you dont have to worry about making tough call downs. Their bets are typically proportional to the strength of their hand.

[TheIceman05 0]

Just keep it going. He'll give the money back to you when you flop top two and he calls a pot-sized bet with just a pair of kings on the river. Ice