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#1 Provotrout

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 07:27 AM

This is from a live $1-3NL home game where I had a bit of a conflict with the opposing player over the rules of running more than once.I had KK, he had AA, we were all-in preflop and both of us agreed to run it three times. Right before the dealer started putting the boards down, the guy with AA says "we run one flop, then three turn-river combos." I agreed reluctantly, preferring to see 15 cards rather than 9. So, the dealer puts down the flop of Kxx. Turn river are duds on all three runs and the player starts talking about chopping the pot. I say "uh, the flop gave me a set-the pot's mine." The player gave some explanation that the flop was only to be played once and the second and third runs would be limited to the turn and river cards. The dealer noted that he was familiar with this type of rule. After questioning how a two card board could constitute a "run" in NLHE as the game requires a 5 card board, the dealer and player relented and gave me the pot. From experience watching tv, in home games and poking around on forums I couldn't find anything like the rule the player and dealer talked about. Any of you heard of this?

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 08:09 AM

He's FOS and angleshooting.When you run it more than once, you run the entire board out. But if you agree to only run one flop, and then the turn and river three times, you can do that too if you'd like. You CERTAINLY don't ignore the flop on the second and third runs. How does that even make sense? As you pointed out, the best hand is the best five card hand out of 7 available cards. If you only use the turn and river you don't even get to five cards! Sounds like he and the dealer were in on this scam together or the dealer's just poker retarded.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 08:47 AM

View Posttrystero, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 12:09 PM, said:

He's FOS and angleshooting.When you run it more than once, you run the entire board out. But if you agree to only run one flop, and then the turn and river three times, you can do that too if you'd like. You CERTAINLY don't ignore the flop on the second and third runs. How does that even make sense? As you pointed out, the best hand is the best five card hand out of 7 available cards. If you only use the turn and river you don't even get to five cards! Sounds like he and the dealer were in on this scam together or the dealer's just poker retarded.
Thanks, def feel better now than right after. Kind of disappointed in the house for not having my back on it.. He said we had to 'figure it out.' Not sure where he was coming from.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 08:56 AM

View PostProvotrout, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 8:47 AM, said:

Thanks, def feel better now than right after. Kind of disappointed in the house for not having my back on it.. He said we had to 'figure it out.' Not sure where he was coming from.
Definitely BS. And if the house is charging a rake, it's his job to figure it out. If it's just a bunch of buddies meeting for a weekend game and the location rotates, etc, I'm far more inclined to let you two figure it out (although it's still best to have someone whose word is law and the house is as good as any, usually).
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 09:02 AM

View PostJubilantLankyLad, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 12:56 PM, said:

Definitely BS. And if the house is charging a rake, it's his job to figure it out. If it's just a bunch of buddies meeting for a weekend game and the location rotates, etc, I'm far more inclined to let you two figure it out (although it's still best to have someone whose word is law and the house is as good as any, usually).
It's an organized, un-raked game. 100-member club with a set location, professional table, permanent dealer & owner, website, rules, etc.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 09:05 AM

unraked? do you pay a membership fee then?
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 09:18 AM

View PostJubilantLankyLad, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 1:05 PM, said:

unraked? do you pay a membership fee then?
No- they get probably 4-5k through the table each game and get tipped about $200-300 per night. The law in VA is ok with operations that get tips, so there are a lot of organized games around here that offer free food and drinks, with the expectation that people will tip well. I usually tip 3-5% of winnings. Cheaper than a raked game that would take $600-$1,200 out of a similar game.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 10:35 AM

this is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard in my life. Had he K not flopped you would have lost the whole pot ainec. Also how does the table take in 4-5k without raking? I'm confused?
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 10:56 AM

View PostBiff Goods, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 2:35 PM, said:

this is the biggest bunch of BS I've ever heard in my life. Had he K not flopped you would have lost the whole pot ainec. Also how does the table take in 4-5k without raking? I'm confused?
Sorry, meant to say there's $4-5k in play during the course of the night, not profit or fees. Just money in play. From that, they usually get tipped a few % on mid and large sized pots.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 03:59 PM

View PostProvotrout, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 10:27 AM, said:

This is from a live $1-3NL home game where I had a bit of a conflict with the opposing player over the rules of running more than once.I had KK, he had AA, we were all-in preflop and both of us agreed to run it three times. Right before the dealer started putting the boards down, the guy with AA says "we run one flop, then three turn-river combos." I agreed reluctantly, preferring to see 15 cards rather than 9. So, the dealer puts down the flop of Kxx. Turn river are duds on all three runs and the player starts talking about chopping the pot. I say "uh, the flop gave me a set-the pot's mine." The player gave some explanation that the flop was only to be played once and the second and third runs would be limited to the turn and river cards. The dealer noted that he was familiar with this type of rule. After questioning how a two card board could constitute a "run" in NLHE as the game requires a 5 card board, the dealer and player relented and gave me the pot. From experience watching tv, in home games and poking around on forums I couldn't find anything like the rule the player and dealer talked about. Any of you heard of this?
You run whatever hasn't come out three times. Just reading this quickly, it sounds to me like you were going to run 3 five card boards. If you get it in on the flop and agree to run it three times, you're running three turns and rivers. Anything else I don't understand.
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 04:08 PM

I'm in VA too. Are you around the tidewater area? I've heard of a poker hall close that does something like this.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 05:19 PM

View PostNovice26, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 8:08 PM, said:

I'm in VA too. Are you around the tidewater area? I've heard of a poker hall close that does something like this.
No, up north outside DC. There are online ads for organized home games down south though, googling it should turn something up.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 06:03 PM

uhm watch High stakes poker and see how proper running multiple times is done. that is total crap, but the game sounds pretty good so whatever.
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 06:19 PM

If the house doesn't want to get involved I wouldn't tip that hand.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 08:10 PM

View Postfighter, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 10:19 PM, said:

If the house doesn't want to get involved I wouldn't tip that hand.
Yeah, if it wasn't one of my go-tos I'd make a point & snub the dealer/club owner. Dude is nice though & has an otherwise clean operation. It seems like a case of him getting confused rather than colluding.In the end I won the pot, had a big session and kept good relations with the club.. even dealt a few rounds before leaving while the owner counted 20s to cash out my $1,700 stack :club:

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 08:37 AM

View PostProvotrout, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 11:10 PM, said:

Yeah, if it wasn't one of my go-tos I'd make a point & snub the dealer/club owner. Dude is nice though & has an otherwise clean operation. It seems like a case of him getting confused rather than colluding.In the end I won the pot, had a big session and kept good relations with the club.. even dealt a few rounds before leaving while the owner counted 20s to cash out my $1,700 stack :club:

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Posted 12 April 2010 - 11:43 AM

View Postmtdesmoines, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 3:59 PM, said:

You run whatever hasn't come out three times. Just reading this quickly, it sounds to me like you were going to run 3 five card boards. If you get it in on the flop and agree to run it three times, you're running three turns and rivers. Anything else I don't understand.
This. You always run the board from the point you get the money in. LOL at the villain saying you had 2 card boards to work with.Sounds like your villain just didn't want to lose the whole pot and wanted profit. There's always deal making to be done other than running cards you know. Offer him 75% of the pot without running the cards next time. You'd be surprised how many suckers will actually give up the 5% equity for the guarantee.... they're the type who buy insurance against dealer aces.
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Posted 12 April 2010 - 12:35 PM

View PostNinja Ace, on Monday, April 12th, 2010, 3:43 PM, said:

This. You always run the board from the point you get the money in. LOL at the villain saying you had 2 card boards to work with.Sounds like your villain just didn't want to lose the whole pot and wanted profit. There's always deal making to be done other than running cards you know. Offer him 75% of the pot without running the cards next time. You'd be surprised how many suckers will actually give up the 5% equity for the guarantee.... they're the type who buy insurance against dealer aces.
Truth in this. It's something when I go to AC and play. People buying insurance when they have 15 or 16. lol at them, even the dealer will be like "are you sure." Then i watch as the dealer who doesn't have bj takes their insurance money, then takes their bet money.




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