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#1 r23y

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 03:44 PM

Sitting at a 45 person sng 13 people left I am in the small blind it gets folded around to me with 66 only about 8 bb left.I shove bb calles for 3/4 of his stack with 9d5d.a 5 on the flop and another on the turn I am done.Is this the right move or could I have done someting different?
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 03:47 PM

You played it fine. The BB made a bad call.Move on
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 03:48 PM

View Postr23y, on Friday, April 9th, 2010, 3:44 PM, said:

Sitting at a 45 person sng 13 people left I am in the small blind it gets folded around to me with 66 only about 8 bb left.I shove bb calles for 3/4 of his stack with 9d5d.a 5 on the flop and another on the turn I am done.Is this the right move or could I have done someting different?
I shove with 27o in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8 BBs left. If that answers your question.BB is just an awful player.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 03:53 PM

Normally with it folded around to me in that situation I shove with almost anything.I was just wandering if I should just call with a made hand.Then go from there.
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 03:58 PM

View PostJSpencer, on Friday, April 9th, 2010, 3:48 PM, said:

I shove with 27o in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8 BBs left. If that answers your question.BB is just an awful player.
66 shove was fine.27o shove is not unless you're at least < 6 BBs.
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Posted 09 April 2010 - 05:44 PM

View Postlurbz, on Friday, April 9th, 2010, 4:58 PM, said:

66 shove was fine.27o shove is not unless you're at least < 6 BBs.
It was an exaggeration.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 07:03 PM

View Postr23y, on Saturday, April 10th, 2010, 9:53 AM, said:

Normally with it folded around to me in that situation I shove with almost anything.I was just wandering if I should just call with a made hand.Then go from there.
What are your thoughts on the pros/cons of limping 66 there as opposed to shoving.

View PostJSpencer, on Saturday, April 10th, 2010, 11:44 AM, said:

It was an exaggeration.
No it wasn't.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 08:58 PM

View PostDanege, on Friday, April 9th, 2010, 8:03 PM, said:

No it wasn't.
Yes...Yes it was.. but either way..it doesn't really matter.It could easily be argued depending on the level, blinds, and stack sizes that shoving with 2 7 in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8BBs is profitable.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 09:29 PM

View PostJSpencer, on Friday, April 9th, 2010, 11:58 PM, said:

Yes...Yes it was.. but either way..it doesn't really matter.It could easily be argued depending on the level, blinds, and stack sizes that shoving with 2 7 in the SB in an uncontested pot with 8BBs is profitable.
Maybe if the BB is dead.

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 10:26 PM

View PostTehtoe, on Friday, April 9th, 2010, 9:29 PM, said:

Maybe if the BB is dead.
Please educate then. Explain to me how this would not be +EV. Can we not shove any two cards against any opponent in the SB when they are the short stacked and be +EV?The BB is obviously also a short stack chip as he called off 3/4's of his stack to his shove. Wouldn't this be the ideal situationto shove 2 7 as the BB is also a short stack so we still have a little fold equity?

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Posted 09 April 2010 - 10:38 PM

Told you it wasn't an exaggeration.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 04:01 AM

View PostDanege, on Friday, April 9th, 2010, 10:38 PM, said:

Told you it wasn't an exaggeration.
It was an exaggeration actually, though I have no issue arguing for it. Assuming the BB isn't extremelyshort stacked or a huge chip leader and depending on the blinds, shoving with 2 7 could most certainlybe profitable.

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Posted 10 April 2010 - 11:19 AM

View PostJSpencer, on Saturday, April 10th, 2010, 4:01 AM, said:

It was an exaggeration actually, though I have no issue arguing for it. Assuming the BB isn't extremelyshort stacked or a huge chip leader and depending on the blinds, shoving with 2 7 could most certainlybe profitable.
JSpencer, you have 2 of the top 4 180 grinders (although tehtoe's moved on from them he still counts :club: ) on this site telling you it's unprofitable, and I have like 5k-6k 45 mans of experience to also tell you it's not.The magic number for those kinds of shoves is 4-6 BBs, not 8. Your equity is too high with 8.Hell, 2 of the "top" (I use quotes because I don't believe they are but they're recognized as such by many, I think they've got some huge leaks) 45 man grinders, Frenzuh and Zornh0lio, fold down to 3 BBs before trying any of these.
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Posted 10 April 2010 - 11:36 AM

View Postlurbz, on Saturday, April 10th, 2010, 8:19 PM, said:

JSpencer, you have 2 of the top 4 180 grinders (although tehtoe's moved on from them he still counts :club: ) on this site telling you it's unprofitable, and I have like 5k-6k 45 mans of experience to also tell you it's not.The magic number for those kinds of shoves is 4-6 BBs, not 8. Your equity is too high with 8.Hell, 2 of the "top" (I use quotes because I don't believe they are but they're recognized as such by many, I think they've got some huge leaks) 45 man grinders, Frenzuh and Zornh0lio, fold down to 3 BBs before trying any of these.
Who's the 4th?I fold complete bottom 5% crap with pretty much any stack in a blind battle unless there's areason not to. Below 4BBs you have no fold equity and you can always get better spots before the next BB. From 4-6 BBs I might depending on the BB and what stack he has, I may well pass it up though. Above 6 it's likely not profitable.Below say...2.5 you pretty much have to unless there's a bubble consideration. It's rare I'll find myself with 3 BBs in the SB unless I just lost a big pot.
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Posted 10 April 2010 - 12:05 PM

View PostHighwayStar, on Saturday, April 10th, 2010, 11:36 AM, said:

Who's the 4th?
As I said on AIM, TimWakefield.EDIT: Make that 3 of the top 4, as well.
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Posted 10 April 2010 - 12:37 PM

There's more equity in an 8 BB stack than most people realize in turbo MTTSNGs + everything phil and lurbz said.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 06:13 PM

If BB is on the tight side, though, shoving with 27o could quite easily become +cEV.Without antes, BB needs to call with almost 40% of his hands for our shove to be -cEV.With antes, he even needs to call with almost 50% of his hands.Posted ImagePosted Image(Last column is our cEV, the three to the left are our EV from him folding, calling and losing, and calling and winning respectively.)Disclaimer 1: it's late and I'm tilted, so there may be mistakes.Disclaimer 2: cEV is not everything; at some point ICM comes into play, and of course it does not take into account that we may have an edge over the field.

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Posted 11 April 2010 - 07:29 PM

View PostMr. Sparco, on Sunday, April 11th, 2010, 6:13 PM, said:

Disclaimer 2: cEV is not everything; at some point ICM comes into play, and of course it does not take into account that we may have an edge over the field.
Def this part.~ the 5-6 BB level, this shove becomes profitable-ish in ICM, 3-4 BBs is obv shoveland.I mean if I'm sitting 10 handed with an 8 BB stack I'm not piling there. 13 handed should be no different.
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Posted 11 April 2010 - 09:43 PM

View PostHighwayStar, on Saturday, April 10th, 2010, 1:36 PM, said:

Who's the 4th?
i hope it's--

View Postlurbz, on Saturday, April 10th, 2010, 2:05 PM, said:

As I said on AIM, TimWakefield.
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