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[CorvairShaggy]

10 Seat .50/$1 table on Cake Poker. Played about 1 hour. Tight Table. If 2-3 bet was made, then showdown showed players had big hands. Little bluffing. Player Dasb*** was wildcard. Played alot of hands, and was caught making bluffs, but was the table bully. Got into a hand and after flop I felt like he had air or a set, but after turn was drawing to gut straight or flush. Was my play the correct mentality or is it more of a gamble mentality? I felt like I had alot of outs and if he did have a set then I could have doubled-up. Here is the hand:

Hand#2193014430000654 - Pebble Beach 14430 -- $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em -- 2010/04/07 - 04:44:36
Seat 1: Renm***1 ($10.68 in chips)
Seat 2: kyza***2 ($7.75 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: Dave***3 ($57.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Corsa65 ($66.13 in chips)
Seat 7: Drea***7 ($50 in chips)
Seat 8: atte***8 ($24 in chips)
Seat 9: DasB***9 ($81 in chips)
Seat 10: Keep***10 ($46.75 in chips)
Dave***3: posts small blind $0.25
Corsa65: posts big blind $0.50
Dealt to Corsa65 [6h,5h]
Drea***7: folds
atte***8: folds
DasB***9: raises to $1.50
Keep***10: folds
Renm***1: folds
kyza***2: folds
Dave***3: folds
Corsa65: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6s,8c,8h]
Corsa65: checks
DasB***9: bets $2
Corsa65: calls $2
*** TURN *** [3h]
Corsa65: bets $7.25
DasB***9: raises to $20
Corsa65: calls $12.75
*** RIVER *** [Ad]
Corsa65: checks
DasB***9: checks
***SHOW DOWN***

Did I play this correctly, or was I just donkey gambling?? The only thing is that if he did have air I felt I would have to go all in at river, and since I missed I just shut down. Against a wild player could this hand been played differently? I lost the hand, but will post how if I need to.
Thanks!!
CorvairShaggy

Also, I can not find a hand converter for Cake. Tried the ones in the top of the thread and others I have googled and cannot get one to work. Also any other tools for Cake would be nice too.

[GOCUBSGO]

10 Seat .50/$1 table on Cake Poker. Played about 1 hour. Tight Table. If 2-3 bet was made, then showdown showed players had big hands. Little bluffing. Player Dasb*** was wildcard. Played alot of hands, and was caught making bluffs, but was the table bully. Got into a hand and after flop I felt like he had air or a set, but after turn was drawing to gut straight or flush. Was my play the correct mentality or is it more of a gamble mentality? I felt like I had alot of outs and if he did have a set then I could have doubled-up. Here is the hand:

Hand#2193014430000654 - Pebble Beach 14430 -- $0.25/$0.50 NL Hold'em -- 2010/04/07 - 04:44:36
Seat 1: Renm***1 ($10.68 in chips)
Seat 2: kyza***2 ($7.75 in chips) DEALER
Seat 3: Dave***3 ($57.90 in chips)
Seat 5: Corsa65 ($66.13 in chips)
Seat 7: Drea***7 ($50 in chips)
Seat 8: atte***8 ($24 in chips)
Seat 9: DasB***9 ($81 in chips)
Seat 10: Keep***10 ($46.75 in chips)
Dave***3: posts small blind $0.25
Corsa65: posts big blind $0.50
Dealt to Corsa65 [6h,5h]
Drea***7: folds
atte***8: folds
DasB***9: raises to $1.50
Keep***10: folds
Renm***1: folds
kyza***2: folds
Dave***3: folds
Corsa65: calls $1
*** FLOP *** [6s,8c,8h]
Corsa65: checks
DasB***9: bets $2
Corsa65: calls $2
*** TURN *** [3h]
Corsa65: bets $7.25
DasB***9: raises to $20
Corsa65: calls $12.75
*** RIVER *** [Ad]
Corsa65: checks
DasB***9: checks
***SHOW DOWN***

Did I play this correctly, or was I just donkey gambling?? The only thing is that if he did have air I felt I would have to go all in at river, and since I missed I just shut down. Against a wild player could this hand been played differently? I lost the hand, but will post how if I need to.
Thanks!!
CorvairShaggy

Also, I can not find a hand converter for Cake. Tried the ones in the top of the thread and others I have googled and cannot get one to work. Also any other tools for Cake would be nice too.

I check/call the turn. Re-evaluate on the river. We don't want to get reraised here with only a flush draw/pair of 6's with 5 kicker. I don't see where you are getting the gutshot straight draw from? As played I fold the turn. I don't know...just a bad spot

[CorvairShaggy]

Sorry. Flush draw. Got confused with another hand that was similar. I decided to lead out on turn hoping he would just call/fold. The way he had been playing the table was bet pot or bigger every time no matter what position. Other players would lead out and that generally would shut him down, or he would call the re-raise and get crushed or fold. After he re-raised, it just felt like he was bluffing and my 6s were good.
CorvairShaggy

[rrumsey]

Cake Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) - Cake-Poker Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

CO ($10.68)
Button ($7.75)
SB ($57.90)
Hero (BB) ($66.13)
UTG ($50)
UTG+1 ($24)
MP1 ($81)
MP2 ($46.75)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 6, 5
2 folds, MP1 bets $1.50, 4 folds, Hero calls $1

Flop: ($3.25) 6, 8, 8 (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 bets $2, Hero calls $2

Turn: ($7.25) 3 (2 players)
Hero bets $7.25, MP1 raises to $20, Hero calls $12.75

River: ($47.25) A (2 players)
Hero checks, MP1 checks

Total pot: $47.25

[rrumsey]

i dont like bet calling the turn at all, either check call and let villain hang himself or raise overtop and semibluff at him, get him to fold a bit and hopefully have outs when he does have something

[mtdesmoines]

So we got about 1/3 our stack in with a low flush draw, a gutterball straight draw and a nominal only beats a bluff pair on a paired flop?
We may have picked up this pot, but I think this is not profitable long term. We really have no way out but to bluff our stack on the river or hit a heart we totally hate. Fold the flop prob.

[Biff Goods]

A. I think it's probably a fold pf. In position maybe a call but it depends on how much this guy is raising pf. Seeing him bluff somebody a couple of times isn't enough for me to be making this call oop against him. Plus...if he is raising a lot pf then I want a somewhat better hand so I.....well....basically don't get into this marginal of a situation.

B. You didn't have a gut shot. Your cards were 65 and the board was 3 6 8 8 A. You need a 7 AND a 4 to or a 7 AND a 9 to to make a straight.

C. It's a paired board...keep that in mind when drawing to a flush. It takes a few of your outs away. For example...A of hearts would have been a terrible card for you if he had A8.

D. Saying "he either had air or a set" is like saying...either I'm gonna win or lose. That's not the best assessment of a poker situation. Try putting him on a range of hands and seeing if some fit. For example. What would a loose aggressive "wild" player raise pf, bet 2/3's on flop, bet pot on turn and then flat call a check raise with with those specific cards being out there?"

When you raised the turn you pretty much chased away any "air" cards except maybe a K high flush draw or something crazy like that. If he had an 8 in his hand he is prolly prone to be checking or betting smaller to try and keep you in the hand so his pot size turn bet doesn't quite make sense. I am gonna go ahead and say he had JJ - KK...somewhere in that range....which is why couldn't fold when you check raised him but checked behind with the Ace hit. He may have had Ahxh also and called your turn bet thinking you had an 8 and he had a flush draw to beat you. He may have checked down the river thinking you would only call another bet if you had him beat.

In any case....I think this hand is a bit spewy. You are not really giving yourself much of advantage against this players tendencies....kinda actually playing right into his plan of attack.

[CorvairShaggy]

Thanks for the info. In other words, I need to take 1 stab at a wild-man unless I have the nuts. Don't try to draw out on a wild-man. The past week I have been getting rivered alot. He actually had AJ Clubs. In a donkey's world my read was good that my 6s were the best, but got rivered as usual. Basically I need to tighten up and quit putting myself in marginal situations, and I probably won't be rivered as much.
He actually did have air on the turn, but since I missed it would have been suicide to shove on the river. That would have probably been a BIG donkey move even to a wild-player I assume. Any other player at that table I would not have made that move on the turn. Maybe stabbed but not 3 bet.
I took a step backwards tonight and went back to 6-max $8 SNG. Tightened up and adjusted a bit and getting profitable results. Been playing ring games and getting mixed results per session the past 2 weeks. Back to SNG and back to PokerVT. Need to crawl more before I try to walk. That's why I am here.
Thanks!!
CorvairShaggy

[Ninja Ace]

Fold pre. Flop is fine. Wtf on the turn... don't bet and definitely don't call the raise