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#21 looshle

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:36 PM

View Postfakepoo, on Monday, March 8th, 2010, 4:30 PM, said:

looshle - I am not a full time poker player but when I play it is mostly Heads Up SNGs and just starting to play some FR cash. I try to play the Sunday Million on Stars every week because I feel like it has tremendous value but it is the only tournament I play. Do you know of other tourneys that have a ton of value like this?
Nothing is going to give you as good an ROI as the million but pretty much anything on sunday is going to have great value.The list is seriously way too long.
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:37 PM

View Postfakepoo, on Monday, March 8th, 2010, 4:30 PM, said:

looshle - I am not a full time poker player but when I play it is mostly Heads Up SNGs and just starting to play some FR cash. I try to play the Sunday Million on Stars every week because I feel like it has tremendous value but it is the only tournament I play. Do you know of other tourneys that have a ton of value like this?
Almost every mtt?If your a competent player, most mtts will have a ton of value b/c there are goign to be sooo many bad players
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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:41 PM

View PostTrueAce13, on Monday, March 8th, 2010, 5:37 PM, said:

Almost every mtt?If your a competent player, most mtts will have a ton of value b/c there are goign to be sooo many bad players
How about big payouts? I have a tough time taking something that has a 1st payout of less than 5 figures too seriously. I love the tourneys that have that 6-figure+ payday. Maybe a top five list? I am not limited to just stars.

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Posted 08 March 2010 - 03:44 PM

Any major + these on a Sunday are huge.Stars$55 200k$11 250kFTP$22 double deuce$163 150kThere are others with big payouts. Pretty much anything on a Sunday gets 5+ figures for 1st, even the $3R.For 6 figures there is only the Warmup, Brawl, Million and 750k
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Posted 16 March 2010 - 07:28 AM

2 nitty?PokerStars Game #41244334441: Tournament #253242276, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/03/16 11:25:32 ETTable '253242276 20' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: osie32 (6193 in chips) Seat 2: Gordium323 (15865 in chips) Seat 4: lostbear08 (20961 in chips) Seat 6: IamiN4u (20515 in chips) Seat 8: frbidden (8725 in chips) Seat 9: serj_dawg (6165 in chips) osie32: posts the ante 50Gordium323: posts the ante 50lostbear08: posts the ante 50IamiN4u: posts the ante 50frbidden: posts the ante 50serj_dawg: posts the ante 50serj_dawg: posts small blind 200osie32: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to IamiN4u [Qc Ad]Gordium323: raises 1200 to 1600lostbear08: folds IamiN4u: folds frbidden: calls 1600serj_dawg: folds osie32: folds *** FLOP *** [Td 8c Jc]Gordium323: bets 1200frbidden: folds Uncalled bet (1200) returned to Gordium323Gordium323 collected 4100 from potGordium323: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 4100 | Rake 0 Board [Td 8c Jc]Seat 1: osie32 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: Gordium323 collected (4100)Seat 4: lostbear08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: IamiN4u folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: frbidden (button) folded on the FlopSeat 9: serj_dawg (small blind) folded before Flop

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:09 AM

View Postnutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 16th, 2010, 7:28 AM, said:

2 nitty?PokerStars Game #41244334441: Tournament #253242276, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (200/400) - 2010/03/16 11:25:32 ETTable '253242276 20' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 1: osie32 (6193 in chips) Seat 2: Gordium323 (15865 in chips) Seat 4: lostbear08 (20961 in chips) Seat 6: IamiN4u (20515 in chips) Seat 8: frbidden (8725 in chips) Seat 9: serj_dawg (6165 in chips) osie32: posts the ante 50Gordium323: posts the ante 50lostbear08: posts the ante 50IamiN4u: posts the ante 50frbidden: posts the ante 50serj_dawg: posts the ante 50serj_dawg: posts small blind 200osie32: posts big blind 400*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to IamiN4u [Qc Ad]Gordium323: raises 1200 to 1600lostbear08: folds IamiN4u: folds frbidden: calls 1600serj_dawg: folds osie32: folds *** FLOP *** [Td 8c Jc]Gordium323: bets 1200frbidden: folds Uncalled bet (1200) returned to Gordium323Gordium323 collected 4100 from potGordium323: doesn't show hand *** SUMMARY ***Total pot 4100 | Rake 0 Board [Td 8c Jc]Seat 1: osie32 (big blind) folded before FlopSeat 2: Gordium323 collected (4100)Seat 4: lostbear08 folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 6: IamiN4u folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: frbidden (button) folded on the FlopSeat 9: serj_dawg (small blind) folded before Flop
way too nitty. call at least, sometimes i raise.

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Posted 17 March 2010 - 08:15 AM

I think in a 4.40 that is wayyy too nitty, but in other mtts, I really don't mind that as we are going to be put in really stupid spots to a 4x
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 12:11 AM

View PostTrueAce13, on Wednesday, March 17th, 2010, 9:15 AM, said:

I think in a 4.40 that is wayyy too nitty, but in other mtts, I really don't mind that as we are going to be put in really stupid spots to a 4x
it's my standard tbh. You can't really flat a utg open which is a 4x that is 10% of his stack profitably. If you flop an ace you're going to have to get it in and play an 80bb pot hoping he has AJ. You're going to be folding the flop alot and not comfortable AT ALL getting it in with 1 pair and you are going to on all flops we flop TP unless it's really wet. Just fold and try working your stack to accumlate and play smaller pots in position preferably with the intiative.
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 06:56 AM

After the call is made pf, that's a horrid fold otf. I can see you making a case for a fold pf in other MTT's but in a $4 180 that's not optimal at all as people play so straight forward. I don't have the same experience you do loosh playing higher buy-ins but in the lower buy-ins i am playing this all day.

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Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:03 PM

View PostFade2241, on Thursday, March 18th, 2010, 9:56 AM, said:

After the call is made pf, that's a horrid fold otf. I can see you making a case for a fold pf in other MTT's but in a $4 180 that's not optimal at all as people play so straight forward. I don't have the same experience you do loosh playing higher buy-ins but in the lower buy-ins i am playing this all day.
You do realize Hero folded PF? There was no horrid flop fold
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 09:10 PM

I use a rule: Don't 3bet AQ pre if you aren't willing to get it in aipf.Like looshle said it's hard to play profitably just flatting as well.
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Posted 18 March 2010 - 10:48 PM

View Postnutzzcase, on Tuesday, March 16th, 2010, 8:28 AM, said:

2 nitty?
Please convert your hands!Posted ImageA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($4.00+$0.40) t200/t400 ante t50 - 6 playersBB osie32: t6,193 UTG Gordium323: t15,865 UTG+1 lostbear08: t20,961 CO Hero: t20,515 Button frbidden: t8,725 SB serj_dawg: t6,165 Preflop: (t900) Hero is CO with Posted Image Posted Image (6 players)Gordium323 raises to t1600, lostbear08 folds, Hero folds, frbidden calls t1600, 2 foldsFlop: (t4,100) Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image (2 players)Gordium323 bets t1200, frbidden foldsGordium323 collected t4100

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Posted 19 March 2010 - 03:17 PM

View PostSwolyswoND, on Thursday, March 18th, 2010, 9:03 PM, said:

You do realize Hero folded PF? There was no horrid flop fold
lol, i didn't. totally misread the hh. my bad.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 10:08 AM

Sorry I lost the hand history...but I wanted to ask about a deep tournament situation that came up and I am more curious about my opponent's play.15 people left, 8k for first.I am 14/15 with about 200,000 chips exactly. I am in the BB. The SB is 2/15. He has about 850,000 chips. Blinds are 8000/16000.I have been playing very tight as I have been card dead. SB has been a little loose. We have had very few blind v blind battles. One time, he raised and I pushed over him. Two other times, he raised and took it. Anyway, it folds to him in the SB and he raises to 40,000 with Ks5s. I have AdQc in the BB and my play is obvious....I wait a few seconds and then push.Now what do you do if you are him?
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 11:57 AM

If I'm him I shove pre, as played I'm snapping.

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 12:26 PM

View PostTehtoe, on Saturday, March 20th, 2010, 3:57 PM, said:

If I'm him I shove pre, as played I'm snapping.
Can you elaborate? I think I am playing too tight late and I need to understand better how/why/when you need to loosen it up late. Because I would have shoved preflop if I were him but I would not have snap called if I played it as he did with the raise to 40k.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 12:26 PM

160 to call 240 + antes to win, say 250.25:16 = 1.56:1 so he needs 39% against your range.He has over 39% against 20% of hands which is prob a decent reshoving rangeHand 0: 39.819% { K5s }Hand 1: 60.181% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }but i think his best play is to shove pre, he's rarely getting more than break even equity on most raise/calls.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 12:28 PM

View PostHighwayStar, on Saturday, March 20th, 2010, 4:26 PM, said:

160 to call 240 + antes to win, say 250.25:16 = 1.56:1 so he needs 39% against your range.He has over 39% against 20% of hands which is prob a decent reshoving rangeHand 0: 39.819% { K5s }Hand 1: 60.181% { 66+, A4s+, K8s+, Q9s+, J9s+, T9s, A9o+, KTo+, QTo+, JTo }but i think his best play is to shove pre, he's rarely getting more than break even equity on most raise/calls.
ok, thanks. I really have some work to do on my play deep in mtt's.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 12:50 PM

To be honest I really dislike raise/callling there. There is so little edge if any. Shoving is definitely going to yield a decent profit.
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Posted 20 March 2010 - 12:52 PM

View PostHighwayStar, on Saturday, March 20th, 2010, 4:50 PM, said:

To be honest I really dislike raise/callling there. There is so little edge if any. Shoving is definitely going to yield a decent profit.
I was surprised he snap called since I had been playing so tight. Just shoving by him makes more sense.Unfortunately, I suck with AQ.
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