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#21 Balloon guy

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Posted 27 February 2010 - 04:41 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 4:35 PM, said:

He should have better things to focus on.
Humanizing God so you can look down on Him isn't exactly a smart path to travel
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 04:49 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 7:41 PM, said:

Humanizing God...
An excellent critique of how god can be all knowing and all powerful yet still have the emotional patience of your average gang-banger.Well done.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 04:55 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 4:39 PM, said:

Because you had a hard time finding atheist since they make up such a small percentage of the population?
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:47 PM

View PostCaneBrain, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 4:49 PM, said:

An excellent critique of how god can be all knowing and all powerful yet still have the emotional patience of your average gang-banger.Well done.
Misunderstanding God is almost as silly as humanizing Him
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 07:49 PM

View Postvbnautilus, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 4:55 PM, said:

oh no, this is at a universityyeah, yeah, I know, you invented those.
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Posted 27 February 2010 - 08:34 PM

View PostDCJ001, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 5:51 PM, said:

Some computers have dictionaries at your disposal so that you don't need to wait for someone to explain what words mean.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 01:46 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 1:34 PM, said:

I do think it is fun to watch the idea be branded about that you guys are actually comfortable to consider yourselves in the upper regions of the smart level when comparing yourself to a Being who created all matter and energy with a spoken word.
No, we just are comfortable considering ourselves smarter than the vast majority of religious people. Nobody said anything about comparing ourselves to your mythical Creator.
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Posted 28 February 2010 - 02:01 PM

For some reason this thread reminded me of an old far side cartoon, the caption was God on jeopardy.There was God in the middle with 2000000 points, and one f the other players had 10 points.This actually annoyed some people, cause in order for the guy to have 10 points, he woulda had to beat God to the buzzer at least oncehttp://s56.photobuck...amp;mobile=true So they redid it .
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 07:18 AM

Do any studies like this account for socio-economic factors? We all know that [poor = low IQ = religious], but there's no definitive causation in there. Personally, I think that low intelligence would lead to low economic status and therefore increased hardship, which leads to a greater likelihood of strong religious beliefs. In that case, it's more of a cascade than stupid=religious. I'd like to see a study of people in their respective tax brackets with IQ vs religiosity.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 08:35 AM

View PostCaneBrain, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 4:02 PM, said:

if god knows how many hairs are on my head, he's weird.

View PostBalloon guy, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 4:15 PM, said:

Cause being all-knowing should mean He should know certain things?

View PostCaneBrain, on Saturday, February 27th, 2010, 4:35 PM, said:

He should have better things to focus on.
I realize this is very, very far from being serious, but this is a pet peeve of mine. It's like we try to find ways to make "God" seem unbelievable, but it just doesn't make any sense when your starting point is "God knows everything."
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 10:36 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 8:35 AM, said:

I realize this is very, very far from being serious, but this is a pet peeve of mine. It's like we try to find ways to make "God" seem unbelievable, but it just doesn't make any sense when your starting point is "God knows everything."
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:21 AM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 8:35 AM, said:

I realize this is very, very far from being serious, but this is a pet peeve of mine. It's like we try to find ways to make "God" seem unbelievable, but it just doesn't make any sense when your starting point is "God knows everything."
I can't figure out what you mean - could you restate this?

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:55 AM

View Postvbnautilus, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 11:21 AM, said:

I can't figure out what you mean - could you restate this?
People who want to 'logically prove' God is not real, by using arguments that require God to be nothing but a big one of us, are confusing JJJ.Once you give Him the title God, you kind of ruin any argument that begins with : "God couldn't do this..." or "Why would God think..."I have also presented this argument by pointing out the fallacy of people alive for a couple decades on a small planet that they really haven't even seen very much of should maybe consider the possibility that their knowledge of the entire universe might not be great enough to make a statement implying that there is no God.But I understand the need to shrink the concept of God in order to continue with your illogical conclusions.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 11:59 AM

View Postvbnautilus, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 11:21 AM, said:

I can't figure out what you mean - could you restate this?
Well, in this specific example, just the idea that an omniscient being would need to focus at all. Or prioritize. Seems like nonsense to me. If you knew absolutely everything, is there anything you need to spend more time on?It's like asking you to solve two math problems in 30 seconds. The first is 1 + 1 = ? and the second is 2 * 1 = ? Would we expect that you would need to focus on one over the other or would we just assume that you know them both immediately?Edit: I think this explains it well.

View PostBalloon guy, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 11:55 AM, said:

Once you give Him the title God, you kind of ruin any argument that begins with: God couldn't do this..." or "Why would God think..."

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 12:05 PM

Or in Hippy-speak;Dude, like, if you had some good weed and like some dude was all "Let's smoke it now" and you were all "Dude' then he would be like trying to bogart your weed.So then if that dude then tried to like say you didn't have any weed, you would be like "Dude" and everyone would be you know, like, "Whatever dude".So like, don't be "Whatever" man.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 01:22 PM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 11:59 AM, said:

Well, in this specific example, just the idea that an omniscient being would need to focus at all. Or prioritize. Seems like nonsense to me. If you knew absolutely everything, is there anything you need to spend more time on?It's like asking you to solve two math problems in 30 seconds. The first is 1 + 1 = ? and the second is 2 * 1 = ? Would we expect that you would need to focus on one over the other or would we just assume that you know them both immediately?Edit: I think this explains it well.
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View PostBalloon guy, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 12:05 PM, said:

Or in Hippy-speak;Dude, like, if you had some good weed and like some dude was all "Let's smoke it now" and you were all "Dude' then he would be like trying to bogart your weed.So then if that dude then tried to like say you didn't have any weed, you would be like "Dude" and everyone would be you know, like, "Whatever dude".So like, don't be "Whatever" man.
Noooow I get it. I agree though, if the premise is that he can do anything, and he doesn't have to make sense, arguments of the form "god wouldn't do x" aren't going to make a dent. Which is why we don't start with such silly premises.

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Posted 01 March 2010 - 01:42 PM

View Postvbnautilus, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 1:22 PM, said:

Which is why we don't start with such silly premises.
Like knowing how many hairs are on someone's head? I think that was part of my point.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 01:46 PM

View Postvbnautilus, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 1:22 PM, said:

Which is why we don't start with such silly premises.
silly premise = definition of the word????Cause God with the capital G pretty much isn't open to your dumbed down version just so you can try legalieeeze or logic twists to make your atheism less foolish.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 01:49 PM

View PostBalloon guy, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 1:46 PM, said:

silly premise = definition of the word????Cause God with the capital G pretty much isn't open to your dumbed down version just so you can try legalieeeze or logic twists to make your atheism zoroastrianism less foolish.
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Posted 01 March 2010 - 01:56 PM

View PostJoeyJoJo, on Monday, March 1st, 2010, 1:42 PM, said:

Like knowing how many hairs are on someone's head? I think that was part of my point.
Actually the Bible verse is very deep in it's pointLuke7 :6Are not five sparrows sold for two penniesa? Yet not one of them is forgotten by God. 7Indeed, the very hairs of your head are all numbered. Donít be afraid; you are worth more than many sparrows. The implications being that nothing misses the eyes of God, He knows everything that is going on all around us.The picture is of a child in a public place, who suddenly is afraid, yet looking around he sees his father and the fear leaves him because he knows he is safe.The idea that God is limited in what He can know, or remember only points to a misunderstanding of what and who God is.
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