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[fakepoo]

Full Tilt Poker $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em $0.02 Ante - 4 players - View hand 558292
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BTN: $13.40
Hero (SB): $12.87
BB: $3.71
CO: $4.01

Pre Flop: ($0.23) Hero is SB with 9 A
1 fold, BTN calls $0.10, Hero calls $0.05, BB checks

Flop: ($0.38) 6 9 2 (3 players)
Hero bets $0.25, BB calls $0.25, BTN raises to $0.80, Hero raises to $2.40, BB folds, BTN calls $1.60

Turn: ($5.43) 5 (2 players)
Hero?

What range can we put villain after he minraises the flop. Do we like the flop 3-bet? What do we do on the turn?

[trystero]

What do you know of this opponent? A9 is very marginal here

[Ninja Ace]

raise pre

when he flats your three bet he's usually got a top pair he's not willing to fold. Shoveski

[mtdesmoines]

raise pre

when he flats your three bet he's usually got a top pair he's not willing to fold. Shoveski

vs. a limped button open, I think raising PF with A9 from small flop is good.
I think if we shove, we're not getting called by anything we beat.
Value-town IMHO

[rrumsey]

vs. a limped button open, I think raising PF with A9 from small flop is good.
I think if we shove, we're not getting called by anything we beat.
Value-town IMHO

call me a passive nit, but i dont reraise that flop, just take a turn and see. lets not blow this pot up with tptk. he may have a draw, but they fold to 4 bets like everytime, and we dont get value from worst after that point

[fakepoo]

Ok, now looking at it I believe I should have raised pre. As played, I think villain could have XsYs, 87, and 9x. Does this range seem ok? Assuming this range, how do we proceed on the turn. Are we willing to get it in?

[jmbreslin]

A9 is very marginal here

This is turning out to be a theme in fakepoo's posts. You have to work on avoiding all these marginal spots.

In this hand I raise PF. But your range for him on the flop is way too narrow. He could also have 99, 66, 22, TT-AA (yes, players at 10NL limp big pairs). That's why TPTK is so marginal in this spot. I'm not entirely sure how I would play it differently postflop, but there is no way I'm prepared to stack off w/ A9 here.

[rrumsey]

This is turning out to be a theme in fakepoo's posts. You have to work on avoiding all these marginal spots.

In this hand I raise PF. But your range for him on the flop is way too narrow. He could also have 99, 66, 22, TT-AA (yes, players at 10NL limp big pairs). That's why TPTK is so marginal in this spot. I'm not entirely sure how I would play it differently postflop, but there is no way I'm prepared to stack off w/ A9 here.

very correct

[fakepoo]

In this hand I raise PF. But your range for him on the flop is way too narrow. He could also have 99, 66, 22, TT-AA (yes, players at 10NL limp big pairs). That's why TPTK is so marginal in this spot. I'm not entirely sure how I would play it differently postflop, but there is no way I'm prepared to stack off w/ A9 here.

Does this mean that we are value-betting the turn or checking the turn?

This is turning out to be a theme in fakepoo's posts. You have to work on avoiding all these marginal spots.

I think this has to do with my thought process (which needs some work). I didn't want to raise from the SB because I felt like that would have been building a big pot from out of position and over-representing my hand. I put in the reraise on the flop because I felt like I probably had the best hand and wanted to extract value from worse top-pair hands and draws (is this the marginal part?). Maybe you could walk through what would be going through your mind during the hand. As in, what to think about.

Thanks again for the discussion. I know it may be very elementary to most of you but I need it.

[mtdesmoines]

This is turning out to be a theme in fakepoo's posts. You have to work on avoiding all these marginal spots.

In this hand I raise PF. But your range for him on the flop is way too narrow. He could also have 99, 66, 22, TT-AA (yes, players at 10NL limp big pairs). That's why TPTK is so marginal in this spot. I'm not entirely sure how I would play it differently postflop, but there is no way I'm prepared to stack off w/ A9 here.

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Learning to manage marginal spots is where the $$$$$$$$$$$$ is

Anyone can play dominating spots. Anyone can fold bad spots.
Marginal spots, man. It's all about marginal spots.

[jmbreslin]

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Learning to manage marginal spots is where the $$$$$$$$$$$$ is

Anyone can play dominating spots. Anyone can fold bad spots.
Marginal spots, man. It's all about marginal spots.

Yes, but he's just making the transition to cash NLHE. Avoid the marginal spots until you're confident in your basic skills, then start developing the advanced skills. And marginal spots are NOT where the money is in the micros - the money is in getting yourself into good spots against others who are overplaying marginal hands.

[trystero]

Marginal is relative. For us this is very marginal because we're out of position, have a weak hand, know nothing about villain, and the pot is bloated. I don't interpret this situation to be desirable. Now as long as villain's remotely competent then this spot is not marginal at all: the pot's big and he's IN position, and he has more information about our hand than we do his. He can decide if we play for stacks, because if we bet then we're committed to calling. So for him this situation shouldn't be marginal...

tbh I haven't been in a spot like this readless in like 2 years.

[Stupidhead]

Completing the A9o is fine. Yes, we have the best hand a lot of the time but our hand flops very poorly. And being OOP unless we get just one caller and he just gives up on the flop, it's going to be hard to win the pot. I'd much prefer raising A9s since there's a lot more flops I'd be willing to stack off with.

I don't hate 3betting but I do not like making it 3x. Just a personal pieve of mine but I think way too many people (including some fish) see 3x raises as uber strong.

Once he flats I'd discount him having 2 pair or a set here. I'm also going to assume he's pretty bad for flatting the 3bet with any hand. So I'd bet around $3 and shove blank rivers.

[Ninja Ace]

This is turning out to be a theme in fakepoo's posts. You have to work on avoiding all these marginal spots.

Your red line is plummeting downwards, isn't it? What separates the big winners from the ones who grind out a BB or 2 per 100 are the ones that play a majority of the marginal spots well. It's worth getting banged up a little bit now in marginal spots for the experience you gain for later.

Also, the marginal spots are the best ones to post. I'm tired of typing "standard"

[trystero]

He plays 5nl/10nl Rush. Worrying about redline makes no sense.

[Ninja Ace]

He plays 5nl/10nl Rush. Worrying about redline is the best way to profit bc the players have no image of you

FYP

[trystero]

He plays 5nl/10nl Rush. Worrying about redline makes no sense when your opponents are showdown happy.

FMP

[jmbreslin]

Your red line is plummeting downwards, isn't it?

You mean like this?

http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/xx181/j...in/10NLRush.jpg

That said, once you take the blinds out of the equation the picture is much, much rosier. I'm still losing a huge amount of money in the SB, which I don't understand because I've made a concerted effort to improve that. I'll have to look into that further.

[hartman72]

Why play such a big pot in a limped pot preflop? I don't like the reraise on the flop at all. We are putting in 20% of our stack with top pair here? That said, it looks like villain's hand could easily be a flush draw after he just calls our 3 bet. I just shove the turn now, but I don't like flop play at all.