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#1 Avaron

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 08:19 AM

Stacks: SB with $7.90 BB with $25.00 bluuuffyou7 with $20.53 BTN with $7.76Poker Forum8-Game 0.20/0.40, Pot Limit OmahaBlinds: $0.10/$0.20Site: PokerstarsStacks: SB with $7.90 BB (Hero) with $25.00 bluuuffyou7 with $20.53 BTN with $7.76 Dealt to BB (Hero):5♣ K♠ A♣ 7♠Preflop: bluuuffyou7 calls [$0.10] 1 players fold. SB calls [$0.05] Hero: checks Total folds this street: 1 Potsize: $0.3Flop: 7♦ 10♣ J♠ SB: checks Hero: checks bluuuffyou7 bets [$0.30] 1 players fold.Hero calls [$0.30] Total folds this street: 1 Potsize: $0.9Turn: 6♣ Hero: checks bluuuffyou7 bets [$0.90] Hero raises $1.60 to $2.50 bluuuffyou7 raises $5.90 to $8.40 HERO ???
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#2 MaxStPolish

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Posted 31 January 2010 - 01:01 PM

View PostAvaron, on Sunday, January 31st, 2010, 10:19 AM, said:

Stacks: SB with $7.90 BB with $25.00 bluuuffyou7 with $20.53 BTN with $7.76Poker Forum8-Game 0.20/0.40, Pot Limit OmahaBlinds: $0.10/$0.20Site: PokerstarsStacks: SB with $7.90 BB (Hero) with $25.00 bluuuffyou7 with $20.53 BTN with $7.76 Dealt to BB (Hero):5♣ K♠ A♣ 7♠Preflop: bluuuffyou7 calls [$0.10] 1 players fold. SB calls [$0.05] Hero: checks Total folds this street: 1 Potsize: $0.3Flop: 7♦ 10♣ J♠ SB: checks Hero: checks bluuuffyou7 bets [$0.30] 1 players fold.Hero calls [$0.30] Total folds this street: 1 Potsize: $0.9Turn: 6♣ Hero: checks bluuuffyou7 bets [$0.90] Hero raises $1.60 to $2.50 bluuuffyou7 raises $5.90 to $8.40 HERO ???
Effective stack to pot is like 65 here on the flop. You should be approaching this hand EXTREMELY carefully. Calling the flop pot bet is already iffy, but if you think he is just c-betting or if you are just putting a float play here, that's fine. This turn makes your relevance in this pot much better. He elects to fire a 2nd PSB. You have to give him a level of credit. That turn card didn't change anything, so this 2nd bet usually means business.The difference is that now you can call another round with a like 12 nut outs compared to 3. You don't need to raise this turn...because if/when you get 3 bet, you are basically playing for stacks with a low pair, gutshot, NFD.....or are forced to give it up without seeing the river. Not a stellar proposition.You have position, we don't even know for sure if villain is on a made hand, though I suspect it. For all we know, he could check the river after a brick flop and we could possibly take it away from him then. You definitely want to just call this turn IMO and gather some more information with the river card and villain's action thereafter.It stinks that you are OOP.....but the same rules apply as to why you are flatting here instead of raising.

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Posted 01 February 2010 - 05:54 AM

I don't like the turn raise at all... I see nothing wrong with check calling the turn... Max, he does not have position, or I am reading it wrong. Hero is the BB. I do believe you have enough equity to call the turn bet here, as often villains are not good enough to fold their set if you do hit on the river, esp. if you hit ur str8. But when you raise there and then get reraised you put yourself in a position to gamble for stacks almost. There are people who play it that way, granted, but i believe in the long run it's a loosing proposition. Just flat the turn and re-evaluate the river. If you do hit, I would try with smaller bet to try and induce the bluff. Anyways, you will probably get paid some.
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Posted 07 February 2010 - 11:21 AM

As played, call the turn 3-bet. See next sentence for what to do after that.Just call the turn next time..I think you played it fine until this point. Bet the river improved, c/f unimproved. Villain potted two streets so this is the nut straight or a set like always. You're never getting a fold on the turn from that range so I'm not sure why we're raising if we're not sure what to do when we get 3-bet.
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