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[CobaltBlue]

Stack sizes?

[Nashtak]

CobaltBlue, on Sunday, April 22nd, 2012, 9:37 PM, said:

Stack sizes?

Oops. Edited.

[nuwn]

Under current Hold'emsession you got 49 hands and saw flop: - 2 to 6 times the big blind (33%) - 1 of 6 times in the small blind (16%) - 8 out of 37 times when the other positions (21%) - A total of 11 of 49 (22%) Pots won in display - 5 of 5 (100%) Pots won without a showdown - 2at an tournament atm, is this stats good or should i be more agressive?

[KingJames]

It's probably okay, especially if the big blind numbers include when you just check your option and don't voluntarily put money in preflopThe problem is that it's only 49 hands. In 49 hands you could be card dead and your proper amount of times seeing the flop is 1 or 2 times. You could also have gotten a rush of cards and profitably seen the flop 15 times.In such a small sample size it's hard to get anything of real value from looking at those stats.Do you use poker tracking software like Hold'em Manager (HEM), or Poker Tracker3 (PT3)? Either one is highly recommended for playing online seriously or semi-seriously.

[nuwn]

KingJames, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 4:49 PM, said:

It's probably okay, especially if the big blind numbers include when you just check your option and don't voluntarily put money in preflopThe problem is that it's only 49 hands. In 49 hands you could be card dead and your proper amount of times seeing the flop is 1 or 2 times. You could also have gotten a rush of cards and profitably seen the flop 15 times.In such a small sample size it's hard to get anything of real value from looking at those stats.Do you use poker tracking software like Hold'em Manager (HEM), or Poker Tracker3 (PT3)? Either one is highly recommended for playing online seriously or semi-seriously.

Yes im using HEM atm, but havnt gathered much data yet, just got it. the 49 hands was just in a single tournament on stars, just got to 1000 ppl left in the 100K tournament, still figuring out if im to passive and if i sould be more aggressive, since i basicly stay on a very low chip stack. damn those maniacs (sorry for spelling).

[Nashtak]

So i went to bed retarded late last night. I totally forgot i had a group career counseling class this morning. 7 hours class followed by 7 hours shift on 1 hour of sleep sucks.

nuwn, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 3:33 PM, said:

Yes im using HEM atm, but havnt gathered much data yet, just got it. the 49 hands was just in a single tournament on stars, just got to 1000 ppl left in the 100K tournament, still figuring out if im to passive and if i sould be more aggressive, since i basicly stay on a very low chip stack. damn those maniacs (sorry for spelling).

Like KJ said, 49 hands is way too small of a sample. If i noted then reset my stats every 50 hands playing the same range of cards preflop, i would get greatly different results over a decent sample size.I would suggest you play tight aggressive. You really can't go wrong with this approach in No Limit Hold'em, especially tournaments and Sit'n Go's. Passive means calling a lot, which is almost always terrible.

Nashtak, on Sunday, April 22nd, 2012, 9:35 PM, said:

Dealer: Welcome to the table St Johns 375235781 Holdem NL $0.02/$0.04.Dealer: Starting a new hand (#3259384777).shenyu58598 is the dealer.Dealer: Heisenbergpt posts Small Blind $0.02.Dealer: HmmmAA posts Big Blind $0.04.Dealer: Dealing cards.Dealer: dikwer79 folds.Dealer: Nashtak raises to $0.16. POCKET QUEENSDealer: TommySixGun folds.Dealer: demoncol49 calls $0.16.Dealer: td12345 raises to $0.32.Dealer: shenyu58598 folds.Dealer: Heisenbergpt folds.Dealer: HmmmAA folds.Dealer: Nashtak calls $0.32. (too weak?)Dealer: demoncol49 calls $0.32.Dealer: Dealing Flop c8,c3,d4.Dealer: Nashtak ?Just wondering what should be our general approach in this scenario, most particulary over our deep stacks and us being out of position. Are we hoping to keep a small pot and get a cheap showdown or are we value betting this all day? No reads.I believe i'm misplaying these fairly common scenarios a lot.[EDIT] My stack is around $5.80. Td12345 is a little less (around $5.50). demoncol is 3.75 to 4.25ish.

bump

[KingJames]

Start by checkingI played Zoom poker for play money today...got 13k deep at 5/10Lots of other deep stacks... was really fun to mess around with

[nuwn]

Nashtak, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 11:15 PM, said:

So i went to bed retarded late last night. I totally forgot i had a group career counseling class this morning. 7 hours class followed by 7 hours shift on 1 hour of sleep sucks.Like KJ said, 49 hands is way too small of a sample. If i noted then reset my stats every 50 hands playing the same range of cards preflop, i would get greatly different results over a decent sample size.I would suggest you play tight aggressive. You really can't go wrong with this approach in No Limit Hold'em, especially tournaments and Sit'n Go's. Passive means calling a lot, which is almost always terrible. bump

i tryed to play agressive when i had some kind of hand, a small raise of 4 BB preflop, almost every raise got reraised with an all in.. though id go all in when i had AA, that was the end of my play :/ just don't get how some are able to get like 80k ships when i try to survive at 12k.. they bet on luck or wth :/

[Nashtak]

KingJames, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 5:22 PM, said:

Start by checking

Considering we have no reads;Are we check-calling a safe turn and river?I'd assume we never really play this hand for value so deep OOP?

[SuperJon]

Got 2nd in teh weekly 9 ball tournament yesterday. Not bad considering I suck in tournaments.

[Nashtak]

nuwn, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 5:31 PM, said:

i tryed to play agressive when i had some kind of hand

Keep doing it.

nuwn, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 5:31 PM, said:

a small raise of 4 BB preflop

That depends on quite a few factors, but 4bb is generally good

nuwn, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 5:31 PM, said:

almost every raise got reraised with an all in..

Shit happens. Assume they have a reaaaaaally good hand unless the same players are clearly abusing the all-in button. If they are gonna give you an easy fold, take it and be glad you didn't lose more money. If 2 players go all-in, pay attention to the action; who raised first, who went all-in and who called then pay even closer attention to the hands they show it may end up help you make a decision later on.

nuwn, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 5:31 PM, said:

though id go all in when i had AA

Don't move all-in unless there is already a decent amount of money in the pot, by the way.

nuwn, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 5:31 PM, said:

just don't get how some are able to get like 80k ships when i try to survive at 12k.. they bet on luck or wth :/

Don't worry about the stack of other players unless it's to make a decision for yourself. But to answer your question, regardless of how good they are, they need to be lucky to a certain degree to have a much larger stack than the average. But i wouldn't worry about such things.

[nuwn]

Very grateful for all the replies, really good tips! ^ ^ **** i'm gonna win a tournament soon! hopefully xD

[KingJames]

Nice job, Jon!

Nashtak, on Monday, April 23rd, 2012, 3:35 PM, said:

Considering we have no reads;Are we check-calling a safe turn and river?I'd assume we never really play this hand for value so deep OOP?

Depends on villain and how much they bet. Say the 3bettor bets, his range is pretty strong bc he 3b pre and is c-betting multiway. Depending on what happens with the cold caller, we could call or fold.How much did the 3bettor bet>?

[Nashtak]

3/4 to a pot

[KingJames]

call flop and eval turnI think we should be weighing his range to be pretty narrow and value oriented at this point

[KingJames]

Sometimes I fold flop bc I'm a huge nit

[CobaltBlue]

Nash, I'm a little confused about the original HH. You raised to $.16, then got flatted, then the guy 3-bet to $.32? Or $.48? Cause if he went to $.32, I'd be pretty tempted to 4-bet. I don't anticipate people doing that with AA/KK often, but I do see them doing it with AQ/JJ/TT and some other hands. As played, c/c flop is fine.

[nuwn]

just scared the shit out of myself^^ was so gonna fold but accidently called 90% of my pot, luckly i got my Ace at the river ended up dubbling my stack up^^ poker is gonna make me crazy someday

[Nashtak]

CobaltBlue, on Tuesday, April 24th, 2012, 3:53 PM, said:

Nash, I'm a little confused about the original HH. You raised to $.16, then got flatted, then the guy 3-bet to $.32? Or $.48? Cause if he went to $.32, I'd be pretty tempted to 4-bet. I don't anticipate people doing that with AA/KK often, but I do see them doing it with AQ/JJ/TT and some other hands. As played, c/c flop is fine.

$.32You believe his range is weak because his raise is small? I would agree a huge raise in those limits is incredibly strong, but i fear the possibility of a really strong hand from a fundamentally bad player when i get min-raised. Like if they understood raising is their best option but they are scared shitless of not getting any action.

[SuperJon]

A few years ago min 3bets were almost always big hands. These days it can literally be any hand especially at the micros.Here's a fishy hand. Obviously have history with villain and know that he's really aggro. Merge - $0.10 NL (6 max) - Holdem - 5 playersHand converted by PokerTracker 3: http://www.pokertracker.comSB: $15.07BB: $21.50Hero (UTG): $14.77CO: $10.00BTN: $22.81SB posts SB $0.05, BB posts BB $0.10Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero has Ts AhHero raises to $0.30, fold, fold, fold, BB calls $0.20Flop: ($0.65, 2 players) 9d Kd 3cBB checks, Hero bets $0.43, BB raises to $2.00, Hero raises to $3.67, BB calls $1.67Turn: ($7.99, 2 players) 3dBB checks, Hero checksRiver: ($7.99, 2 players) KcBB bets $3.40, Hero raises to $7.00, foldHero wins $14.06