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[KingJames]

also gettofish is like 8/4 thru 60 hands, so I didn't 3b

[king1305]

Anyone here want to learn HU?

[droberts]

king1305, on Saturday, July 31st, 2010, 8:23 PM, said:

Anyone here want to learn HU?

raises hand. i play it.. i just need to learn it.

[KingJames]

July:Played more hands than ever before, but I didn't play them all well.Cash: ($170)Rakeback: $125Volume propbet: $25Online Total: ($20)Live: $70Total: $50I kept working on my game by being involved in sweats and reviewing HHs and talking poker. I watched a lot of videos and feel like I continued to learn and get better, so I'm not worried, although I was soul crushed most of the month. I took time off when I was playing really badly, but never really got anything going.So August goals;12-15k handsContinue to be involved in strat discussions, sweats, and HH reviews.Watch videos critically

[SuperJon]

Yeah, cash was pretty harsh this month for me as well.My first losing month this year. Luckily tournaments saved me and allowed some profit.JULY CASHCash - ($10.35)Tournaments - $314.11Total - $303.76

[babylondonks]

teach me HU king

[king1305]

babylondonks, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 12:30 AM, said:

teach me HU king

trade sexual favors for HU lessons? deal.

[SuperJon]

[Ninja Ace]

OMFG... live 1/2 NL is easy but it's like waiting 10 hours for the busoh, UTG limp raised me? I guess kings are no good...oh, I got raised holding bottom 2? guess this is an easy foldoh, the crazy asian guy opened from the button I flatted with AJhh and the flop came 2-3-3 rainbow, better close my eyes and call down the impending 3 barrels

[QED]

QED, on Wednesday, June 30th, 2010, 3:07 PM, said:

July goals:Get back to 20k hands for the month now the world cup is in it's final stages.Make profits imo.

[ ] 20k hands[ ] profits[x] playing 25NLI'm on my second shot at 25NL. It seems pretty clear where I have a big leak.My red line gets pwned pretty good when I play 25NL, you can see where I went back to 10NL and it goes flat then drops off again when I go back to 25NL. I've played just under 10k hands at 25NL now and here are some stats worth looking at red line wise:Flop C-bet 48.5%Flop C-bet% success 48%W$WSF 34.9%If anyone has any suggestions for stats it would be good to look at to work out where I'm going wrong here that would be good :)Totalpoker: -$26.35bonuses and donkaments: $62.13= $35.7818918 handsAugust goalsPlay 20k handsprofitsort out my red line

[SuperJon]

Despite not winning at cash in July, I did manage to get the roll up enough to take another shot at 25NL. So I'm going to start the month there, and hope for the best.

[Ninja Ace]

QED, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 5:26 AM, said:

My red line gets pwned pretty good when I play 25NL, you can see where I went back to 10NL and it goes flat then drops off again when I go back to 25NL. I've played just under 10k hands at 25NL now and here are some stats worth looking at red line wise:Flop C-bet 48.5%Flop C-bet% success 48%W$WSF 34.9%If anyone has any suggestions for stats it would be good to look at to work out where I'm going wrong here that would be good

Your showdown percentage is a tid bit on the high side. You don't c-bet nearly enough. You're probably never double barreling. You're probably not betting for value thin enough. You're probably not bluff catching.

[SuperJon]

Ninja Ace, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 1:28 PM, said:

Your showdown percentage is a tid bit on the high side. You don't c-bet nearly enough. You're probably never double barreling. You're probably not betting for value thin enough. You're probably not bluff catching.

Like this?Villain was 34/22 over 100+ hands. PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (6 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP ($42.03)Hero (CO) ($28.21)Button ($41.27)SB ($89.36)BB ($65.69)UTG ($23.22)Preflop: Hero is CO with 9 , 9 2 folds, Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($2.35) 7 , J , 8 (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $1.75, Button calls $1.75, 1 foldTurn: ($5.85) 6 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $3.25, Hero calls $3.25River: ($12.35) 2 (2 players)Hero checks, Button bets $7.75, Hero calls $7.75Total pot: $27.85 | Rake: $1.36Results:Button had 10 , A (high card, Ace).Hero had 9 , 9 (one pair, nines).Outcome: Hero won $26.49

[babylondonks]

Ninja Ace, on Monday, August 2nd, 2010, 3:28 AM, said:

Your showdown percentage is a tid bit on the high side. You don't c-bet nearly enough. You're probably never double barreling. You're probably not betting for value thin enough. You're probably not bluff catching.

FTR he didn't give showdown numbers that I can see. That WWSF% is absurdly low though, most people have it around 41-47% iirc

[Ninja Ace]

babylondonks, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 10:32 AM, said:

FTR he didn't give showdown numbers that I can see. That WWSF% is absurdly low though, most people have it around 41-47% iirc

yeah i need to stop quick glancing in this thread that's like 2 major oops...so yeah you should definitely be winning money more than 1/3 of the time you see flops that's insane low. All the signs just point to you being a fit/fold player who isn't fighting for a single potJon. The example above is indeed a nice bluff catch... the point about bluff catching for redline mobnies is... say you are in a river spot where you're getting 2:1 on your money to pick off a bluff and you're right 40% of the time in this spot. It's a clear call because you will profit long term, but on the graph you will see your blue line drop (since you'll be losing showdowns more often) and your red line rise since you aren't giving up uncontested.I think the redline is the most misunderstood part of the graph... people seem to think that big redlines are signs of huge bluff frequency... when really a lot of the times it's just making value plays to the proper thinness

[QED]

babylondonks, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 11:32 AM, said:

FTR he didn't give showdown numbers that I can see. That WWSF% is absurdly low though, most people have it around 41-47% iirc

I was going to post a longer reply but I decided to lose money and get tilted instead so I'll do that tomorrow. I did an initial look at my stats based on the info on this 2+2 thread http://forumserver.t...-thread-158015/It seems to suggest there that 35% is the min for winning players, I don't know how accurate that is.

[Ninja Ace]

QED, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 1:27 PM, said:

I was going to post a longer reply but I decided to lose money and get tilted instead so I'll do that tomorrow. I did an initial look at my stats based on the info on this 2+2 thread http://forumserver.t...-thread-158015/It seems to suggest there that 35% is the min for winning players, I don't know how accurate that is.

Don't effing listen to 2p2

[SuperJon]

My stats for the year. Anything in particular you guys think needs to be worked on?

[SuperJon]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP ($26.92)Button ($24.60)Rico Suave (SB) ($33.80)BB ($5.21)UTG ($31.91)Preflop: Rico Suave is SB with 9 , 9 2 folds, Button bets $0.65, Rico Suave raises to $2.25, 1 fold, Button calls $1.60Flop: ($4.75) 9 , K , 4 (2 players)Rico Suave checks, Button checksTurn: ($4.75) 4 (2 players)Rico Suave checks, Button bets $2.25, Rico Suave raises to $7, Button raises to $17, Rico Suave raises to $31.55 (All-In), Button calls $5.35 (All-In)River: ($49.45) 5 (2 players, 2 all-in)Total pot: $49.45 | Rake: $2Results:Button had lol K , 10 (two pair, Kings and fours).Rico Suave had 9 , 9 (full house, nines over fours).Outcome: Rico Suave won $47.45

[QED]

Ninja Ace, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 9:28 AM, said:

Your showdown percentage is a tid bit on the high side. You don't c-bet nearly enough. You're probably never double barreling. You're probably not betting for value thin enough. You're probably not bluff catching.

Ninja Ace, on Sunday, August 1st, 2010, 1:25 PM, said:

so yeah you should definitely be winning money more than 1/3 of the time you see flops that's insane low. All the signs just point to you being a fit/fold player who isn't fighting for a single pot

I think you are pretty much 100% right, playing at the lowest levels probably gets you into bad habits because of how the villains play there. I definitely need to add stuff like double barreling to my arsenal now I'm playing 25NL, at lower levels it seemed extremely rare that people were folding turns after calling flops.Here are some further stats I've filtered upSaw flop in positionflop cbet 53%flop cbet success 50%WTSD 21.9%W$SD 56%W$WSF 42%bb/100 78.70hands 415Saw flop out of positionflop cbet 44.4%flop cbet success 45.5%WTSD 19.9%W$SD 60%W$WSF 29.5bb/100 25.86hands 528In position especially I guess I need to just hammer the c-bet button and look for decent turn cards to follow on with. I've found 26 hands where my c-bet was raised or check raised to go over as well, which I thought was happening a lot more and was partly why I let my c-bet % drop so much but it's like 26/452 hands.