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#2261 KosinTrouble

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:12 AM

View Postdroberts, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 8:48 AM, said:

bit of an update guys... moving up to 25nl next week... kinda excited to get back to that level..had a very very good month so far.. almost doubled my BR. slightly over $700 now. i think i started this month with 410 or so.anyone else got some updates or rungood stories?
Very nice job! Good luck at moving back up. I am not sure what i am going to do. Yesterday actually really threw me for a loop to be honest when I lost my initial deposit at ft. So any feedback would be appricated.Obviously my br is at pokerstars, and I just found out I will be a silver star for next month, doesnt mean much be gives me extra vpp points so more free tourny's. Once I hit $800 I was going to move up to 25NL(another month away at current rate), but in order to do that, I would have to play at just one site. Wich means do I transfer my money from PS to FT, or keep it at PS. Currently I need another $10 and I will done my deposit bonus at ps. Once that is done, does it make more sense to transfer the majority of my br to FT for the rake back?Kosin trouble

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:23 AM

BB was a 60/12 tard w/ a 3-bet of 7like 90 handsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (MP) ($25)Button ($40.51)SB ($25)BB ($24.27)UTG ($28.50)Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 :5c, 9 :4h1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($2.35) 6 :3h, 2 :qh, 2 :club: (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $2, 1 fold, BB calls $2Turn: ($6.35) 10 :ts (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $8, Hero folds

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:35 AM

View PostKosinTrouble, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 10:12 AM, said:

Very nice job! Good luck at moving back up. I am not sure what i am going to do. Yesterday actually really threw me for a loop to be honest when I lost my initial deposit at ft. So any feedback would be appricated.Obviously my br is at pokerstars, and I just found out I will be a silver star for next month, doesnt mean much be gives me extra vpp points so more free tourny's. Once I hit $800 I was going to move up to 25NL(another month away at current rate), but in order to do that, I would have to play at just one site. Wich means do I transfer my money from PS to FT, or keep it at PS. Currently I need another $10 and I will done my deposit bonus at ps. Once that is done, does it make more sense to transfer the majority of my br to FT for the rake back?Kosin trouble
rakeback is always a plus, but if u feel more comfortable at stars, i would just stay there.but like u cant beat rakeback.. also i wouldnt worry too much about losing ur deposit onto FT, u could just be downswinging.. its quite normal to have 5 buyin downswings.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:36 AM

View Posttrystero, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 10:23 AM, said:

BB was a 60/12 tard w/ a 3-bet of 7like 90 handsFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (MP) ($25)Button ($40.51)SB ($25)BB ($24.27)UTG ($28.50)Preflop: Hero is MP with 9 :5c, 9 :4h1 fold, Hero bets $0.75, Button calls $0.75, 1 fold, BB calls $0.50Flop: ($2.35) 6 :3h, 2 :qh, 2 :club: (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $2, 1 fold, BB calls $2Turn: ($6.35) 10 :ts (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $4, BB raises to $8, Hero folds
turn minraises are usually the nuts.. nice fold.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:23 AM

Free money is nice.Posted ImageFeral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersButton: $4.75 (Hero)SB: $1.96 BB: $9.53 UTG: $8.51 UTG+1: $5.00 MP: $12.19 MP2: $4.58 HJ: $9.13 CO: $10.00 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is Button with :D :ts (9 players)UTG folds, MP raises to $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, HJ calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero calls $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.20Flop: ($1.27) :3h :D :5c (6 players)BB checks, MP checks, MP2 bets $0.05, HJ folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05Turn: ($1.47) :jh (5 players)BB checks, MP checks, MP2 bets $1.02, Hero calls $1.02, 2 foldsRiver: ($3.51) :club: (3 players)MP2 bets $3.26, and is all in, Hero calls $3.26Hero showed :D :4h, and won ($9.41) with a full house, Nines full of AcesMP2 showed :D :qh, and lost with a pair of AcesHero won $9.41(Rake: $0.67)

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:25 AM

After a 62k hand breakeven stretch I'm completely reevauating my game.Here'e the graph and clearly I have to improve my showdown winnings. Posted Image
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:28 AM

View Posttrystero, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 6:58 AM, said:

biggest fish tank on FTP^^^got one guy who can't score 30k in Robot Unicornanother mass shipping AAyet another scared moneyand someone called jiggaman20 who would've taken jiggaman420 but that name had been taken.
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 12:52 PM

View PostQED, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 11:23 AM, said:

Free money is nice.Posted ImageFeral Cow PokerFull Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 9 playersButton: $4.75 (Hero)SB: $1.96 BB: $9.53 UTG: $8.51 UTG+1: $5.00 MP: $12.19 MP2: $4.58 HJ: $9.13 CO: $10.00 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is Button with :D :ts (9 players)UTG folds, MP raises to $0.25, MP2 calls $0.25, HJ calls $0.25, CO folds, Hero calls $0.25, SB folds, BB calls $0.20Flop: ($1.27) :3h :D :5c (6 players)BB checks, MP checks, MP2 bets $0.05, HJ folds, Hero calls $0.05, BB calls $0.05, MP calls $0.05Turn: ($1.47) :jh (5 players)BB checks, MP checks, MP2 bets $1.02, Hero calls $1.02, 2 foldsRiver: ($3.51) :club: (3 players)MP2 bets $3.26, and is all in, Hero calls $3.26Hero showed :D :4h, and won ($9.41) with a full house, Nines full of AcesMP2 showed :D :qh, and lost with a pair of AcesHero won $9.41(Rake: $0.67)
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 01:06 PM

View Postkepper, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 1:25 PM, said:

After a 62k hand breakeven stretch I'm completely reevauating my game.Here'e the graph and clearly I have to improve my showdown winnings. Posted Image
Wow that's a weird one, totally the opposite of what you'd usually see.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 01:11 PM

How should the SB play be interpreted without any particular read.Posted ImageConverted by a herd of feral cowsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 4 playersUTG: $0.87 Button: $8.80 SB: $1.62 BB: $12.67 (Hero)Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with :qh :club: (4 players)2 folds, SB calls $0.03, Hero raises to $0.20, SB raises to $1.62 and is all-in, Hero foldsSB collected $0.40(Rake: $0)Check the turn? How would you try to make the most out of the river?Posted ImageFeral Cow PokerPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 6 playersUTG: $22.97 UTG+1: $13.66 (Hero)CO: $6.77 Button: $5.00 SB: $3.07 BB: $5.75 Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG+1 with :ts :5c (6 players)UTG folds, Hero raises to $0.15, CO calls $0.15, 2 folds, BB calls $0.10Flop: ($0.47) :D :D :4h (3 players)BB checks, Hero checks, CO checksTurn: ($0.47) :jh (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets $0.30, CO calls $0.30, BB foldsRiver: ($1.07) :3h (2 players)Hero bets $1
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If I had a nickel for every time I've had this exact same problem I would have zero nickels because I'm not a faggot.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 01:15 PM

Hand 1 fold he's not doing that w/AT (obv he does as it's 5nl but whatever) edit: saw that he's a shortstacking idiot, meh I can go either way with a call or a foldHand 2 $1 is OK; I think he's folding a lot tho because I'd expect Qx/decent hand to lead the turn. In general betting bigger is usually more profitable even if it's called way less than a smaller bet.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 01:57 PM

I did see one of the DC videos where they suggest you might as well just shovel into the short stackers when it's bvb and you have a hand. Can't remember which one it was though and it was probably against the super shorties that play on stars.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 04:25 PM

View Postkepper, on Friday, April 23rd, 2010, 4:25 AM, said:

After a 62k hand breakeven stretch I'm completely reevauating my game.Here'e the graph and clearly I have to improve my showdown winnings. Posted Image
:club: How many tables do you play? The good news is that 100k hand breakeven stretches are completely standard, so I wouldn't lose too much hope in your game at this stage. Though if I were to venture a guess as to the way your lines are going, you could be blindly barreling too many spots while also becoming a bit of a POW and stationing off spots where you have to fold. What's your WTSD/W$SD% of that span?

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 05:15 PM

View Postbabylondonks, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 8:25 PM, said:

:club: How many tables do you play? The good news is that 100k hand breakeven stretches are completely standard, so I wouldn't lose too much hope in your game at this stage. Though if I were to venture a guess as to the way your lines are going, you could be blindly barreling too many spots while also becoming a bit of a POW and stationing off spots where you have to fold. What's your WTSD/W$SD% of that span?
I normally play between 9 and 12 tables. WTSD% 30.1 W$SD% 47.3
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 05:56 PM

View Postkepper, on Friday, April 23rd, 2010, 11:15 AM, said:

I normally play between 9 and 12 tables. WTSD% 30.1 W$SD% 47.3
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Posted 22 April 2010 - 07:18 PM

View Postkepper, on Friday, April 23rd, 2010, 12:15 PM, said:

I normally play between 9 and 12 tables. WTSD% 30.1 W$SD% 47.3
Yeah I'd say that's most likely a leak, going to showdown that much and winning that rarely. Maybe try 4 tabling or something for a session and just really focusing on every decision?

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 08:57 PM

View Postfighter, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 9:56 PM, said:

The higher the win rate, the less variance?
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If I had a nickel for every time I've had this exact same problem I would have zero nickels because I'm not a faggot.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:00 PM

View PostNashtak, on Thursday, April 22nd, 2010, 11:57 PM, said:

The higher the win rate, the less variance?
thats because u hardly put in losing sessions if ur always winning.. so u cant really downswing a whole lot if u have a big winrate. :club:

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:24 PM

View Postdroberts, on Friday, April 23rd, 2010, 1:00 AM, said:

thats because u hardly put in losing sessions if ur always winning.. so u cant really downswing a whole lot if u have a big winrate. :club:
I would have imagined a slighter smaller yet very similar variance, simply pointing upward. Well that's good to know. Now i can blame myself for downswings (at some degree).
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If I had a nickel for every time I've had this exact same problem I would have zero nickels because I'm not a faggot.

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Posted 22 April 2010 - 09:31 PM

variance and downswings are super super normal in poker.like if u didnt ever downswing.. u would be a freak at poker.. or a superuser :club:




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