CobaltBlue, on Monday, March 29th, 2010, 9:58 AM, said:
Something else that I've noticed about Rush is that sometimes shorter stacks will just open-shove for 18bb or more...and it's almost always a junky ace or king. Like, I noticed a guy open-shoved for 35bb UTG (6-max) the other day. It folded to me with AJs on the button. I didn't quite snap-call him per se, but I was pretty comfortable making that call. He had KQo. We chopped when the board came 99898.The 3-bet/4-bet dynamic that you're talking about has been pretty interesting. When I'm working on 100bb stacks, it has forced me to get a lot better at that aspect of the game. As I get deeper, I tend to revert back to seeing more flops.
Yea, this is an interesting side effect. There's obviously a lot of bad play at normal 50, 100 and 200NL. But, for some unknown reason, in rush people do completely insane things. I think, perhaps, the quick pace of the game intensifies the tilt factor for some players. It's moving so fast that you don't realize that you are losing your mind. Example: I hit a set over set against a reg. Over the next 5 minutes he 3-bet jammed over my normal opens with QTos, 98s, and 47os. I have like 5000 hands on the guy and have never seen him tilt before. Also see a lot more really insane bluffing. Maybe it has to do with the increased pot sizes due to the extra 3-betting, but I've seen a ton of pots where a player puts in like 75% of their stack and then folds with card(s) to come.As for the dynamic - yea, its interesting. I don't know how it will translate to non-rush. I've always been bad at the 3-betting aspect of poker, its my biggest leak. I'm hoping Rush has improved that aspect of my game. I'm certainly getting a ton of practice. Also helping is now that *I'M* 3-betting more, and seeing more lines taken against that, it's given me some insight into what people are thinking when they 3-bet me and I call or raise them. One thing I'll add, and I think this really helps get extra action - if you raise smaller, 3-bet smaller, and 4-bet smaller than your average reg (ie, don't press pot or go bigger than pot, unless the situation calls for it) people always think you're bluffing. Example, my 3-bets are always to just 9bb, given 100bb stacks. And my 4-bets are usually to around 20ish bbs (if its heads up and the 3-bet wasn't huge. If they 3-bet to like 12bbs, then i have to make it bigger, otherwise they are getting insane odds to crush my soul). People see the smaller bet size and think 'omg, room to bluff!', and then just start shoving.Only problem is when you go like 3 days in a row where you're running into the top of everyone's range and you have like AQ/AJ/JJ, and you get a nice, red ass from the beating.
Further on that KK < AA hand...when you 4-bet me, I really wasn't happy and kicked myself for 3-betting. Like, a small part of me definitely wanted to fold. Debating if it's possible. It definitely isn't an easy thing. Think you might've played AK or QQ like that?
I don't want to become too exploitable and give away the family secrets, but I'll say this - I would have folded AK pretty quickly in that spot. You're solid, you don't get out of line, and you're 3-betting my UTG raise from UTG+1. Your range is super narrow in that spot.The JJ guy brought an interesting dynamic to the hand. He seemed content with calling and never raising, if you had CCed my open and then he CCs, I wonder what happens on a 775 board with him in there. I guess, however, there's a chance that, at that point, we would have gotten squeezed by someone later in the hand, don't remember that specific table at the moment.Also, his cold call makes it hard to not widen my 4-betting range just a tad. I mean, its a gross spot to 4-bet squeeze as a bluff, but I've seen stranger things in rush. It's definitely a gross spot just given the fact that you and I are two of the less laggy preflop players.