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[jmbreslin]

From a Rush Poker hand, so no reads.

Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, $0.10 BB (9 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

BB ($1.58)
UTG ($25.57)
UTG+1 ($10)
MP1 ($33.16)
Hero (MP2) ($8.93)
MP3 ($6.48)
CO ($23.90)
Button ($2.32)
SB ($8.37)

Preflop: Hero is MP2 with 4, A
3 folds, Hero bets $0.20, MP3 calls $0.20, 4 folds

Flop: ($0.55) 5, 4, A (2 players)
Hero bets $0.40, MP3 raises to $0.80, Hero ???

With zero info on villain, would you credit him with a hand I beat often enough here, or is this always a huge hand?

[KingJames]

I'm thinking about the flop, but what's up with preflop?

[droberts]

I'm thinking about the flop, but what's up with preflop?

Daniel Negreanu-itis

[Syntonic]

With zero info on villain, would you credit him with a hand I beat often enough here, or is this always a huge hand?

Well he's certainly not just bluffing. Semi-bluff at best. It could either be a better A with a diamond or a flopped flush. I doubt he would do this with just the K of diamonds.

I fold preflop.

Hmm. You have about $8 left and he has about $5.50 after the reraise with ~$1.75 in the pot. You can't really call this, because you're going to fold if a diamond hits and you're going to check the turn (most likely). Either he's drawing to a diamond and he's going to check the turn too, or you're going to have to call a bet OOP. With no reads, and based on his stack, I shove and hope that he has Ax with a diamond.

[SwolyswoND]

Yeah if you had just made a normal raise PF (although I fold this pre, a normal raise is better than this), then the pot would be .85-.90 on the flop, you bet for .75 ish, if he minraises then the bet is 1.50 and he would have about 4.50 behind in a pot of over $3, which makes the shove much easier.

I agree with Syntonic about the villain's range. He never has a set here (would raise larger to charge you for a naked diamond), but against a range of made flushes and Ax with a diamond, you should be in plenty good shape equity rise to shove this - granted, that's if you sized properly before. I wouldn't expect any fold equity, though.

[jmbreslin]

I'm thinking about the flop, but what's up with preflop?

It's Rush so I like to make small raises with speculative hands. No worries about giving off information with bet/raises sizes in Rush.

[jmbreslin]

Well he's certainly not just bluffing. Semi-bluff at best. It could either be a better A with a diamond or a flopped flush. I doubt he would do this with just the K of diamonds.

I fold preflop.

Hmm. You have about $8 left and he has about $5.50 after the reraise with ~$1.75 in the pot. You can't really call this, because you're going to fold if a diamond hits and you're going to check the turn (most likely). Either he's drawing to a diamond and he's going to check the turn too, or you're going to have to call a bet OOP. With no reads, and based on his stack, I shove and hope that he has Ax with a diamond.

Assuming his x is bigger than my 4, I'm only a slight fav against Ax with a diamond, right? Then you have to factor in the times he has a completed flush, straight, or set, as well as the few times he might have a naked AK/AQ or something. Pretty marginal shove, no?

[SwolyswoND]

I don't accept your reasoning for minraising. Just raise 3.5x (+1 per limper) with any hand you open.

Against a flopped flush or straight you have ~33% equity.
Against Ax with a diamond (x>4), you are about a coinflip, ~52% equity.
Against Ax with no diamond (x>4), you have about 90% equity if your shove is called, and obvious fold equity.
Against AA you are drawing dead, or against 44/55 you have 8% equity, but you are literally like never going to see those hands here. With card removal plus the fact that a set would raise much more on the flop, I think we can discount this.

With the shove you are risking 5.88 for a pot of $12.96 (if called). That means you are getting about 2.2 : 1 odds, and need 31.3% equity.

EZ shove.

[rrumsey]

shove, then hate rush poker when we run into a flush

[Stupidhead]

I like minraisng or 2.5x ing OTB or in the CO. I don't like doing this with 5 people to act behind. We're just asking for people to come in with speculative hands in position against us.

As played, I shove cus rush poker is stupid and I rly have no idea how to play that game.

[jmbreslin]

I don't accept your reasoning for minraising. Just raise 3.5x (+1 per limper) with any hand you open.

Against a flopped flush or straight you have ~33% equity.
Against Ax with a diamond (x>4), you are about a coinflip, ~52% equity.
Against Ax with no diamond (x>4), you have about 90% equity if your shove is called, and obvious fold equity.
Against AA you are drawing dead, or against 44/55 you have 8% equity, but you are literally like never going to see those hands here. With card removal plus the fact that a set would raise much more on the flop, I think we can discount this.

With the shove you are risking 5.88 for a pot of $12.96 (if called). That means you are getting about 2.2 : 1 odds, and need 31.3% equity.

EZ shove.

Helpful analysis, thanks.

[trystero]

Swoly your numbers are off. Against flopped flushes and straights we have ~20% equity. Against a big ace (non-diamond) like AJ we're not 90%; it's like 70%.

I don't know what to do honestly, but I think we're getting it in badly when called tbh. Our equity against a range of flushes, straights, big aces both with and without a diamond, sets, and A5 is about 26%

[Nedok]

I think if your going to play that hand preflop, you should make a larger raise to better define the callers ranges. When you minraise like that they can have a huge ranges of hands. As played, I would just call the flop because you easily be crushed against a flush or set. He is giving us great odds to outdraw him if we are beat and we have a decent chance of being ahead so I would call. If we shove, I don't see him calling with worse except maybe an ace with a big diamond.

[SwolyswoND]

Mea culpa.

For some reason I did the math in my head as if we had a set, not two pair.