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[Shark527]

I've been checking in on joining up a new site that offered rakeback.

Tilt (27), Cake (33), Molten (33), and Absolute (30) all offer these rakeback percentages


I have no experience with the rakeback program. Is there that much of a difference between the percentages? Should they be considered a factor in joining a new site?

[kobe2odom8]

suitedupppp

[ncperrotta069]

link in my sig imo

[ncperrotta069]

I've been checking in on joining up a new site that offered rakeback.

Tilt (27), Cake (33), Molten (33), and Absolute (30) all offer these rakeback percentages


I have no experience with the rakeback program. Is there that much of a difference between the percentages? Should they be considered a factor in joining a new site?

i would say there not much difference between that small of a % tbh.. the smaller sites always have the highest %'s to attract more players

[Suited_Up]

suitedupppp

Right here.

Link in sig obv.



But yeah, more than the percentages, I'd pay attention to whether the Rake is contributed or dealt. Most are contributed, which means you get back a percentage of the rake you actually put in. Where as dealt, you get rake on hands just for being dealt in. I believe Full Tilt and Cake/Molten use the dealt method, so you'll make a bit more that way, especially if you're nitty.

[ff7bigfan]

As Kurt said, consider dealt method vs. contributed. If you are playing full ring, tight then dealt would be the best to look for. Overall the percentages won't become as huge a factor. I would also consider looking at the extra incentives that are offered for the specific site from the rakeback site. For example, with the site in my sig, you may also qualify for a monthly freeroll hosted by the site, which is $30,000 prizepool on full tilt. This can be a nice extra boost to your bankroll to cash in one of these. In addition, if you are a high volume player at at least medium stakes, you may qualify for extra prize money from placing in the rake race. If you have any questions about the site, or rakeback, feel free to pm me, I'd be happy to help.

[FCP Bob]

You're all missing the most important consideration although it might not be as important for the OP. Which of the sites has the lowest rake to begin with.

If you play 2/4 limit holdem for example a site like Absolute will have rake that is probably 30% higher than Full Tilt and 35% higher than Poker Stars.

Look at what your regular game is and check out the rake structure for each site as that will often be more important than the rakeback level.

Here are a few real life examples for a limit player.

5/10 limit holdem - 5 Players at the Table - Pot Size $60
Full Tilt - $3 rake
Poker Stars - $2 rake
Absolute - $3 rake

3/6 limit holdem - 6 Players at the Table - Pot Size $36
Full Tilt - $1 rake
Poker Stars - $1 rake
Absolute - $1.75 rake

2/4 limit holdem - 6 Players at the Table - Pot Size $18
Full Tilt - No Rake
Absolute - $0.75 rake
Poker Stars - No Rake

I picked those examples because they show some of the differences. On some pots the rake is the same at all the sites but the extra rake in a lot of hands really adds up.

[mtdesmoines]

Bob = smart

[Suited_Up]

More rake = More Rakeback

[Shark527]

Right here.

Link in sig obv.



But yeah, more than the percentages, I'd pay attention to whether the Rake is contributed or dealt. Most are contributed, which means you get back a percentage of the rake you actually put in. Where as dealt, you get rake on hands just for being dealt in. I believe Full Tilt and Cake/Molten use the dealt method, so you'll make a bit more that way, especially if you're nitty.

I checked out your link when you responded to my question in the previous question in an earlier thread
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...20&start=20

Checking your link is what made me curious about the different percentages.

You're all missing the most important consideration although it might not be as important for the OP. Which of the sites has the lowest rake to begin with.

If you play 2/4 limit holdem for example a site like Absolute will have rake that is probably 30% higher than Full Tilt and 35% higher than Poker Stars.

Look at what your regular game is and check out the rake structure for each site as that will often be more important than the rakeback level.

Here are a few real life examples for a limit player.

5/10 limit holdem - 5 Players at the Table - Pot Size $60
Full Tilt - $3 rake
Poker Stars - $2 rake
Absolute - $3 rake

3/6 limit holdem - 6 Players at the Table - Pot Size $36
Full Tilt - $1 rake
Poker Stars - $1 rake
Absolute - $1.75 rake

2/4 limit holdem - 6 Players at the Table - Pot Size $18
Full Tilt - No Rake
Absolute - $0.75 rake
Poker Stars - No Rake

I picked those examples because they show some of the differences. On some pots the rake is the same at all the sites but the extra rake in a lot of hands really adds up.

Limit holdem is exactly the reason I'm trying to find a rakeback site. I'd like to leave Stars as just a primary tourney/SNG site and have a rakeback site for my cash play.

In your 2/4 example, Absolute is the only one taking a rake there. Absolute uses a contributed rake system, so overall, would a dealt system be better because I'm getting a piece of EVERY pot, instead of the ones I'm in? Or, would the higher rake at Absolute make up for that?

[FCP Bob]

Limit holdem is exactly the reason I'm trying to find a rakeback site. I'd like to leave Stars as just a primary tourney/SNG site and have a rakeback site for my cash play.

In your 2/4 example, Absolute is the only one taking a rake there. Absolute uses a contributed rake system, so overall, would a dealt system be better because I'm getting a piece of EVERY pot, instead of the ones I'm in? Or, would the higher rake at Absolute make up for that?

The higher rake at Absolute doesn't make up for anything. It just costs you and everybody else in the game a lot more money.

What limits do you play ?

[Suited_Up]

I checked out your link when you responded to my question in the previous question in an earlier thread
http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...20&start=20

Checking your link is what made me curious about the different percentages.

Ah, good stuff... I didn't realize you made both posts. But the point was, the percentages aren't a huge deal in the end. Getting something back is the key, so play whichever site you prefer on all the other levels. Competition, Software, etc. Keep in mind on Cake, you can't use a HUD, but neither can everyone else. So that's a factor too.

For the 2nd part about Absolute rake, I think what Bob was saying was that it all depends on pot size, his examples gave the biggest comparison because they offered more varying degrees, but a lot of the rakes will overlap and be similar. He knows more about specific rake than I do though.

Also, the "more rake = more rakeback" was just a joke for bob.

[Shark527]

The higher rake at Absolute doesn't make up for anything. It just costs you and everybody else in the game a lot more money.

What limits do you play ?

All four of those sites offer a signup bonus from $500-$600. I'll start off playing full ring .50/1 or 1/2, until I get a feel for the site, then I might be switching to 6max.

[Shark527]

Competition, Software, etc. Keep in mind on Cake, you can't use a HUD, but neither can everyone else. So that's a factor too.

Can Molten use a HUD?

[Suited_Up]

Can Molten use a HUD?

I doubt it, it's Cake network. They share the player pool, so I'm 99.9% sure.

[Shark527]

I doubt it, it's Cake network. They share the player pool, so I'm 99.9% sure.

Do you know of anyone who plays on Molten? Or prefers Cake over Molten, or vise versa? I'd never heard of Molten before I started shopping for rakeback sites.

[Suited_Up]

Do you know of anyone who plays on Molten? Or prefers Cake over Molten, or vise versa? I'd never heard of Molten before I started shopping for rakeback sites.

I have only had like 1 person sign up for it, so I don't really know people who play there, but I think mostly because Cake is the bigger name. Originally I heard Molten had a better deal with Cashier fees, but I think Cake will eat like one cashout fee a month, so they're probably similar. Only thing that might sway you towards Cake, could be if they do have some site specific tournaments, which I think could happen, you'll probably have bigger fields on Cake. I'm sure most of them will share players though.

[ncperrotta069]

pretty sure PT3 is compatible with Cake network

[Suited_Up]

pretty sure PT3 is compatible with Cake network

Yeah, but just for tracking, no HUD.

[FCP Bob]

HUD are strictly forbidden on the Cake Network.

All else being equal you should try and stay with the largest site on any given network. You can never tell when a specific skin of a network is financially sound.