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#21 lurbz

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 11:01 AM

View Postcoug2828, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 10:16 AM, said:

i can see a case for either. folding and not mixing it up with a big stack here is the safest/smartest way to a cash(obv). fold makes even more sense with a few other small stacks on the verge of going out. open shove from utg leads me to thinking fold also...but i've had more than the 15 second time bank to think about it, things look a little different in the moment. that said, i don't think a call is too bad. with a small stack calling there's a little added insurance of him getting busted and allowing me to squeak into a min-cash even if i lose. if i call and win the hand, i coast to the top 3 which is where the majority of the money is.
My only gripe about calling here is that other than AJ/AQ there's not much of my typical range (I'm a random to him) that he crushes here. It's a flip or worse vs most pairs, crushed vs AA/KK, or in a chop setup. He doesn't have a read, it's extremely common for me to have a pair here.Iunno. I'm defending the fold position just to facilitate discussion, I'm not telling anyone they are right or wrong. It's an interesting spot to me.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:34 PM

i agree that folding is the better move, but i don't think calling is a disaster. also, an open shove with AA or KK doesn't make a lot of sense with the big stack. i'd assume you'd want to get value out of one of those and a shove kills that, so i would remove those from your range leaving at worse a flip or having you crushed with Ax or KQ type hands.(i guess i should add that i wouldn't open shove with AA or KK here but that doesn't necessarily mean other people wouldn't and assuming other people think the same way i do is iffy at best in an online poker)

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 12:41 PM

View Postcoug2828, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 12:34 PM, said:

i agree that folding is the better move, but i don't think calling is a disaster. also, an open shove with AA or KK doesn't make a lot of sense with the big stack. i'd assume you'd want to get value out of one of those and a shove kills that, so i would remove those from your range leaving at worse a flip or having you crushed with Ax or KQ type hands.(i guess i should add that i wouldn't open shove with AA or KK here but that doesn't necessarily mean other people wouldn't and assuming other people think the same way i do is iffy at best in an online poker)
I'm shoving KK and AA there. There are going to be just as many bad overshoves as hero calls.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 02:05 PM

3 handed, $12/45, SB is platstar reg who has been really LAG the whole FT. Discuss?Posted ImageCows play poker with cow chipsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($11+$1) t1000/t2000 ante t100 - 3 playersButton: t11,140 SB: t27,346 BB: t29,014 (Hero)Preflop: (t3,300) Hero is BB with :club: :ts (3 players)Button folds, SB raises to t27246 and is all-in, [color="#000000"]Hero ???????
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 02:25 PM

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3 handed, $12/45, SB is platstar reg who has been really LAG the whole FT. Discuss?Posted ImageCows play poker with cow chipsPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($11+$1) t1000/t2000 ante t100 - 3 playersButton: t11,140 SB: t27,346 BB: t29,014 (Hero)Preflop: (t3,300) Hero is BB with :club: :ts (3 players)Button folds, SB raises to t27246 and is all-in, [color="#000000"]Hero ???????
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 02:28 PM

View Postlurbz, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 9:02 AM, said:

First HH post...I don't have the full one, this is old and from a chat log that I found with a big time 45 man grinder.The question here is not about the A8 shove, it's pretty much the bottom of my range and I'm not worried about it, there are no regs at this table. The question I pose here is whether the BB's AK in this spot (8 handed, 7 pay) is a fold given stack sizes?Again, the A8 is irrelevant, we're playing this from BB's perspective.Table '224242391 4' 9-max Seat #8 is the buttonSeat 2: Hookjaw72 (13080 in chips) Seat 3: BBsRJReich (16378 in chips) Seat 4: 305man (4204 in chips) Seat 5: Huma Dracos (10420 in chips) Seat 6: M_a_C_a_K_87 (11658 in chips) Seat 7: x.neophyte (7580 in chips) Seat 8: SweetBiscuit (2125 in chips) Seat 9: originalbill (2055 in chips) Hookjaw72: posts the ante 50BBsRJReich: posts the ante 50305man: posts the ante 50Huma Dracos: posts the ante 50M_a_C_a_K_87: posts the ante 50x.neophyte: posts the ante 50SweetBiscuit: posts the ante 50originalbill: posts the ante 50originalbill: posts small blind 400Hookjaw72: posts big blind 800*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to BBsRJReich [8d Ah]BBsRJReich: raises 15528 to 16328 and is all-in305man: folds Huma Dracos: folds M_a_C_a_K_87: folds x.neophyte: folds SweetBiscuit: calls 2075 and is all-inoriginalbill: folds Hookjaw72: calls 12230 and is all-inUncalled bet (3298) returned to BBsRJReich*** FLOP *** [Tc 5d 2d]*** TURN *** [Tc 5d 2d] [9d]*** RIVER *** [Tc 5d 2d 9d] [9c]*** SHOW DOWN ***Hookjaw72: shows [Kc Ad] (a pair of Nines)BBsRJReich: shows [8d Ah] (a pair of Nines - lower kicker)Hookjaw72 collected 21910 from side potSweetBiscuit: shows [Ks Qh] (a pair of Nines - lower kicker)Hookjaw72 collected 7025 from main pot
The AK is a call. I mean, it's pretty much the nuts right, and maybe if sweetbiscuit had a stack we could argue a fold. But when shorty is calling off 2.5bb, it can be virtually anything so that really shouldn't weigh in the decision.And yes, the A8 should be discussed, I'm pretty sure you know that's horrible with a 20bb stack this far oop. (edit, is it the bubble? If so, not too bad, but still pretty wide range)

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 02:54 PM

View Postoutsider13, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 2:25 PM, said:

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The AK is a call. I mean, it's pretty much the nuts right, and maybe if sweetbiscuit had a stack we could argue a fold. But when shorty is calling off 2.5bb, it can be virtually anything so that really shouldn't weigh in the decision.And yes, the A8 should be discussed, I'm pretty sure you know that's horrible with a 20bb stack this far oop. (edit, is it the bubble? If so, not too bad, but still pretty wide range)
The A8 doesn't need to be discussed, I know it's not great, it's the bottom of my shove range there, it is the bubble tho. I'll tweak with my shove ranges, I'm working on a lot of it right now, but the point of the post was about the AK spot here rather than anything else.Shorty isn't stacking off anything there, if you look @ other stack sizes he has about the range I posted. AK is still borderline call/fold here, at least numbers wise. AK is only 57% against my range there as I posted anyway, and shorty's presence in the pot lowers his equity gain from 13k to 9k 30% of the time, causing enough of an ICM difference to make this closer than you'd think. If he's gaining 13k every time, it's probably a lot more blatant a call, but shorty's stack affects this situation more than you're probably looking at.Just so you know I'm not trying to tell anyone they are right or wrong, just trying to show a different viewpoint on it and give reasoning. In this specific spot I probably would have actually folded, because the more I look at it I just feel that I still have an edge with a #2 stack, and can find a better spot rather than playing for stacks with CL on the bubble. That's just me though.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 03:45 PM

View Postlurbz, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 4:54 PM, said:

Tis what I did, he had KJ, I won.The A8 doesn't need to be discussed, I know it's not great, it's the bottom of my shove range there, it is the bubble tho. I'll tweak with my shove ranges, I'm working on a lot of it right now, but the point of the post was about the AK spot here rather than anything else.Shorty isn't stacking off anything there, if you look @ other stack sizes he has about the range I posted. AK is still borderline call/fold here, at least numbers wise. AK is only 57% against my range there as I posted anyway, and shorty's presence in the pot lowers his equity gain from 13k to 9k 30% of the time, causing enough of an ICM difference to make this closer than you'd think. If he's gaining 13k every time, it's probably a lot more blatant a call, but shorty's stack affects this situation more than you're probably looking at.Just so you know I'm not trying to tell anyone they are right or wrong, just trying to show a different viewpoint on it and give reasoning. In this specific spot I probably would have actually folded, because the more I look at it I just feel that I still have an edge with a #2 stack, and can find a better spot rather than playing for stacks with CL on the bubble. That's just me though.
You seriously are going to shove AA KK with that lead? I mean, okay if you do it consistently or are playing super lag, but I would definitely remove AA & KK from your range because it makes far more sense to standard raise from a value standpoint. So from his point of view, I'm looking at similar to your range less AA KK and maybe even QQ, but I'll leave that QQ in there. That now makes it a 60-40.As for discarding the value of the short stack, even though we have less equity in the side pot, we are still a favorite in that side pot based on ranges. And as far as the range for a 2.5bb shorty, okay, he shouldn't be any 2 wide from a range standpoint, but it should be a lot wider than the range you give. I would go as low as any suited K, suited connectors as low as T9, any A, plus what you have. I guess it depends on the player and perhaps his read on you. I'm still trying to do a custom structure in SNGPT, god that's a pain in the ass. I still think it's a +$ev call with AK.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 03:53 PM

I'd snap both hands so hard that my mouse would sound "click" fairly loud.But then again I do play $6.5s

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 03:56 PM

View Postoutsider13, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 3:45 PM, said:

You seriously are going to shove AA KK with that lead? I mean, okay if you do it consistently or are playing super lag, but I would definitely remove AA & KK from your range because it makes far more sense to raise from a value standpoint. So from his point of view, I'm looking at similar to your range less AA KK and maybe even QQ, but I'll leave that QQ in there. That now makes it a 60-40.As for discarding the value of the short stack, even though we have less equity in the side pot, we are still a favorite in that side pot based on ranges. And as far as the range for a 2.5bb shorty, okay, he shouldn't be any 2 wide from a range standpoint, but it should be a lot wider than the range you give. I would go as low as any suited K, suited connectors as low as T9, any A, plus what you have. I guess it depends on the player. I'm still trying to do a custom structure in SNGPT, god that's a pain in the ass. I still think it's a +$ev call with AK.
At 45 man FTs I RARELY raise, it's either push or fold. Reason being it becomes impossible to put me on any sort of specific range, it's a great way to disguise esp. against regs, knowing I'm pushing 100% of my range and not raise/calling ever. When you're putting in 1k+ SNGs a month and these regs all have that history on you, giving them any opportunity to see you play a hand differently than the rest of your range puts a giant exploit in your game against them.As to the range of the shorty, I again point to stack sizes:Seat 2: Hookjaw72 (13080 in chips)Seat 3: BBsRJReich (16378 in chips)Seat 4: 305man (4204 in chips)Seat 5: Huma Dracos (10420 in chips)Seat 6: M_a_C_a_K_87 (11658 in chips)Seat 7: x.neophyte (7580 in chips)Seat 8: SweetBiscuit (2125 in chips)Seat 9: originalbill (2055 in chips) Given biscuit is on the button here, I don't see how his range can be as wide as you are suggesting with the other two short stacks and the amount of hands he has until he's in the blinds again. If it was him open shoving I agree, but I don't see him calling off a shove here with that wide of a range. Regardless, even against a random hand...AKo 42.20% 237,171 33,168KQs,A7-AK,22-AA 32.17% 177,660 31,799** 25.63% 150,635 7,455The ICM impact from 25% of hands is still quite a large effect in this spot.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 03:58 PM

View PostAcekob, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 3:53 PM, said:

I'd snap both hands so hard that my mouse would sound "click" fairly loud.But then again I do play $6.5s
I got berated for snapping off the A7 hand, I knew it was a solid call but just wanted to confirm it here and get some discussion going on it considering the 3rd guy's stack size being < 1/2 of mine.
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Posted 30 December 2009 - 05:02 PM

I agree that the AK is probably a lot closer than I think. Probably due to the fact that I play STTs and I never really have to worry about ICM too much with this many people left.

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Posted 30 December 2009 - 10:12 PM

No read as it's very early but this is a micro level, and I would like you to take that into consideration.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1480)MP1 (t1670)MP2 (t1570)CO (t1110)Button (t1370)Hero (SB) (t2290)BB (t2510)Hero's M: 50.89Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 :ts, 9 :club:UTG bets t1500 (All-In), 5 folds, Hero???
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 12:27 AM

More comments on this hand as well. I think I played it too passively but I have no reason to fold, is there a raise I missed?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t7415)BB (t1555)UTG (t2255)UTG+1 (t2280)MP1 (t3330)MP2 (t2225)Hero (CO) (t4590)Button (t2400)Hero's M: 15.30Preflop: Hero is CO with 9Posted Image, 9Posted Image3 folds, MP2 calls t120, Hero bets t480, 1 fold, SB calls t420, 1 fold, MP2 calls t360Flop: (t1680) 8Posted Image, 4Posted Image, 10Posted Image (3 players)SB bets t360, 1 fold, Hero calls t360Turn: (t2400) 8Posted Image (2 players)SB bets t480, Hero calls t480River: (t3360) JPosted Image (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksTotal pot: t3360
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 01:05 AM

Shoving AA and KK in those spots is def ok. People tend to make a lotttt of mistakes ICM-wise and on top of that you're obv always going to want to have a balanced range.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 02:03 AM

Full Tilt Poker Game #17221579436: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (129086075), Table 1 - 120/240 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:42:24 ET - 2009/12/31Seat 2: LaGuiguite (5,760)Seat 7: slinkbug01 (6,555)Seat 9: T-Luva (1,185)LaGuiguite posts the small blind of 120slinkbug01 posts the big blind of 240The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to slinkbug01 [J :club: A :club: ]T-Luva foldsLaGuiguite raises to 720slinkbug01 raises to 1,600LaGuiguite raises to 5,760, and is all inslinkbug01 calls 4,160LaGuiguite shows [9 :heart: Q :spade: ]slinkbug01 shows [J :club: A :club: ]*** FLOP *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: ]*** TURN *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: ] [K :heart: ]*** RIVER *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: Kh :heart: ] [K :diamond: ]LaGuiguite shows two pair, Kings and Ninesslinkbug01 shows a pair of KingsLaGuiguite wins the pot (11,520) with two pair, Kings and Nines*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 11,520 | Rake 0Board: [7c 9d 4d Kh Kd]Seat 2: LaGuiguite (small blind) showed [9h Qs] and won (11,520) with two pair, Kings and NinesSeat 7: slinkbug01 (big blind) showed [Jc Ac] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 9: T-Luva (button) didn't bet (folded)Probably shouldn't have called his all in, but I got it in good and I had picked off a few of his raises with the 1600 reraise.I've lost about 95% of these races lately (actually I was almost a 2-1 fav). Grrrrrrrrrrr!
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 03:42 AM

View PostChet Chetterson, on Wednesday, December 30th, 2009, 10:12 PM, said:

No read as it's very early but this is a micro level, and I would like you to take that into consideration.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1480)MP1 (t1670)MP2 (t1570)CO (t1110)Button (t1370)Hero (SB) (t2290)BB (t2510)Hero's M: 50.89Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 :ts, 9 :club:UTG bets t1500 (All-In), 5 folds, Hero???
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More comments on this hand as well. I think I played it too passively but I have no reason to fold, is there a raise I missed?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t7415)BB (t1555)UTG (t2255)UTG+1 (t2280)MP1 (t3330)MP2 (t2225)Hero (CO) (t4590)Button (t2400)Hero's M: 15.30Preflop: Hero is CO with 9Posted Image, 9Posted Image3 folds, MP2 calls t120, Hero bets t480, 1 fold, SB calls t420, 1 fold, MP2 calls t360Flop: (t1680) 8Posted Image, 4Posted Image, 10Posted Image (3 players)SB bets t360, 1 fold, Hero calls t360Turn: (t2400) 8Posted Image (2 players)SB bets t480, Hero calls t480River: (t3360) JPosted Image (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksTotal pot: t3360
I don't know what kind of SNG this is, but with the stacks the way they are, I'm limping pre to try to flop a set, too many crap flops to get involved in a large pot with someone who is obv calling the 4x and has you covered.

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Full Tilt Poker Game #17221579436: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (129086075), Table 1 - 120/240 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:42:24 ET - 2009/12/31Seat 2: LaGuiguite (5,760)Seat 7: slinkbug01 (6,555)Seat 9: T-Luva (1,185)LaGuiguite posts the small blind of 120slinkbug01 posts the big blind of 240The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to slinkbug01 [J :club: A :club: ]T-Luva foldsLaGuiguite raises to 720slinkbug01 raises to 1,600LaGuiguite raises to 5,760, and is all inslinkbug01 calls 4,160LaGuiguite shows [9 :heart: Q :spade: ]slinkbug01 shows [J :club: A :club: ]*** FLOP *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: ]*** TURN *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: ] [K :heart: ]*** RIVER *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: Kh :heart: ] [K :diamond: ]LaGuiguite shows two pair, Kings and Ninesslinkbug01 shows a pair of KingsLaGuiguite wins the pot (11,520) with two pair, Kings and Nines*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 11,520 | Rake 0Board: [7c 9d 4d Kh Kd]Seat 2: LaGuiguite (small blind) showed [9h Qs] and won (11,520) with two pair, Kings and NinesSeat 7: slinkbug01 (big blind) showed [Jc Ac] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 9: T-Luva (button) didn't bet (folded)Probably shouldn't have called his all in, but I got it in good and I had picked off a few of his raises with the 1600 reraise.I've lost about 95% of these races lately (actually I was almost a 2-1 fav). Grrrrrrrrrrr!
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#38 Acekob

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 06:40 AM

View PostChet Chetterson, on Thursday, December 31st, 2009, 9:27 AM, said:

More comments on this hand as well. I think I played it too passively but I have no reason to fold, is there a raise I missed?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t7415)BB (t1555)UTG (t2255)UTG+1 (t2280)MP1 (t3330)MP2 (t2225)Hero (CO) (t4590)Button (t2400)Hero's M: 15.30Preflop: Hero is CO with 9Posted Image, 9Posted Image3 folds, MP2 calls t120, Hero bets t480, 1 fold, SB calls t420, 1 fold, MP2 calls t360Flop: (t1680) 8Posted Image, 4Posted Image, 10Posted Image (3 players)SB bets t360, 1 fold, Hero calls t360Turn: (t2400) 8Posted Image (2 players)SB bets t480, Hero calls t480River: (t3360) JPosted Image (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksTotal pot: t3360
What kind of tournament?Preflop can be discussed based on that, but post flop I think I'm playing the same even though there are some draws on the flop.Def call/checking turn/river.

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Posted 31 December 2009 - 06:41 AM

Trick spot, look @ stack sizes/blinds and position. Is this an open fold pre, trap spot? EDIT: Unless I say otherwise mine are all 45 mansPosted ImageA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($11+$1) t100/t200 ante t25 - 9 playersMP: t8,410 (Hero)MP2: t2,605 HJ: t4,315 CO: t7,865 Button: t4,505 SB: t3,575 BB: t7,920 UTG: t2,125 UTG+1: t2,395 Preflop: (t525) Hero is MP with :ts :club: (9 players)2 folds, Hero raises to t600, MP2 folds, HJ calls t600, 4 foldsFlop: (t1,725) :3h :qh :5c (2 players)Hero bets t730, HJ raises to t3690 and is all-in, Hero calls t2960Turn: (t9,105) :4h (2 players)River: (t9,105) :jh (2 players)
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Posted 31 December 2009 - 09:55 AM

View PostChet Chetterson, on Thursday, December 31st, 2009, 12:12 AM, said:

No read as it's very early but this is a micro level, and I would like you to take that into consideration.PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comUTG (t1500)UTG+1 (t1480)MP1 (t1670)MP2 (t1570)CO (t1110)Button (t1370)Hero (SB) (t2290)BB (t2510)Hero's M: 50.89Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 :ts, 9 :club:UTG bets t1500 (All-In), 5 folds, Hero???
Def Fold. No need to gamble like this early.

View PostChet Chetterson, on Thursday, December 31st, 2009, 2:27 AM, said:

More comments on this hand as well. I think I played it too passively but I have no reason to fold, is there a raise I missed?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 1.1 Tournament, 60/120 Blinds 15 Ante (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB (t7415)BB (t1555)UTG (t2255)UTG+1 (t2280)MP1 (t3330)MP2 (t2225)Hero (CO) (t4590)Button (t2400)Hero's M: 15.30Preflop: Hero is CO with 9Posted Image, 9Posted Image3 folds, MP2 calls t120, Hero bets t480, 1 fold, SB calls t420, 1 fold, MP2 calls t360Flop: (t1680) 8Posted Image, 4Posted Image, 10Posted Image (3 players)SB bets t360, 1 fold, Hero calls t360Turn: (t2400) 8Posted Image (2 players)SB bets t480, Hero calls t480River: (t3360) JPosted Image (2 players)SB checks, Hero checksTotal pot: t3360
I agree with urbz. I prob just call pre and setmine because stacks make postflop a little awkward and there's a ton of flops that hate us. The raise isn't horrible pre, it's just easier to play by not raising. As played though, I think ipits.

View Postslink, on Thursday, December 31st, 2009, 4:03 AM, said:

Full Tilt Poker Game #17221579436: $5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (129086075), Table 1 - 120/240 - No Limit Hold'em - 4:42:24 ET - 2009/12/31Seat 2: LaGuiguite (5,760)Seat 7: slinkbug01 (6,555)Seat 9: T-Luva (1,185)LaGuiguite posts the small blind of 120slinkbug01 posts the big blind of 240The button is in seat #9*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to slinkbug01 [J :club: A :club: ]T-Luva foldsLaGuiguite raises to 720slinkbug01 raises to 1,600LaGuiguite raises to 5,760, and is all inslinkbug01 calls 4,160LaGuiguite shows [9 :heart: Q :spade: ]slinkbug01 shows [J :club: A :club: ]*** FLOP *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: ]*** TURN *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: ] [K :heart: ]*** RIVER *** [7 :club: 9 :diamond: 4 :diamond: Kh :heart: ] [K :diamond: ]LaGuiguite shows two pair, Kings and Ninesslinkbug01 shows a pair of KingsLaGuiguite wins the pot (11,520) with two pair, Kings and Nines*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 11,520 | Rake 0Board: [7c 9d 4d Kh Kd]Seat 2: LaGuiguite (small blind) showed [9h Qs] and won (11,520) with two pair, Kings and NinesSeat 7: slinkbug01 (big blind) showed [Jc Ac] and lost with a pair of KingsSeat 9: T-Luva (button) didn't bet (folded)Probably shouldn't have called his all in, but I got it in good and I had picked off a few of his raises with the 1600 reraise.I've lost about 95% of these races lately (actually I was almost a 2-1 fav). Grrrrrrrrrrr!
Just shove his raise pre. It's unexploitable and you have AJ bvb. Be happy to get that in, just win next time.

View Postlurbz, on Thursday, December 31st, 2009, 8:41 AM, said:

Trick spot, look @ stack sizes/blinds and position. Is this an open fold pre, trap spot? EDIT: Unless I say otherwise mine are all 45 mansPosted ImageA pack of feral cows chewed their cuds for .0043 seconds to convert this handPokerStars No-Limit Hold'em ($11+$1) t100/t200 ante t25 - 9 playersMP: t8,410 (Hero)MP2: t2,605 HJ: t4,315 CO: t7,865 Button: t4,505 SB: t3,575 BB: t7,920 UTG: t2,125 UTG+1: t2,395 Preflop: (t525) Hero is MP with :5c :4h (9 players)2 folds, Hero raises to t600, MP2 folds, HJ calls t600, 4 foldsFlop: (t1,725) :jh :D :qh (2 players)Hero bets t730, HJ raises to t3690 and is all-in, Hero calls t2960Turn: (t9,105) :3h (2 players)River: (t9,105) :D (2 players)
I don't see anything wrong with that. Btw, don't you guys in 45s change your raise sizes? In stts, I'd be raising like 500 in this spot. It's pretty standard for a lot of high volume regs. Just wondering if the 45s are like that in the 15-20bb stack area.




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