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#1 Nutcracker

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:57 PM

Ok, this hand was very interesting and I'm curious as to your thoughts on my thoughts. No converter, but I'll make it as pretty as possible.Interpoker .50/1 holdem (9 handed)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [9c] [9h]1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.Ok, I'm fairly new to the table, but it has big pot sizes and % to flop. I figure limping is best as I'd rather play 99 in an unraised 5-6 person pot than a raised 3-4 person pot. Agree?Flop: (6 SB) [Ks] [5s] [9d]SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero Bets, Hero calls, BB calls, BB calls.Standard. Hit my set on a somewhat coordinated board and raise the shit out of it. I was tempted to smooth call the C/r from MP1, so that I could make it 2 to go to the rest of the field on the turn if a blank fell, but I think that was FPS trying to tempt me to the dark side.Turn: (11 BB) [Kd]BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 Bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.Ok, here is where it gets murky. Some of you will probably blast me for slowing down when I filled up here, and I felt kind of weird doing it, but here is my justification:When this card hits and MP1 bets out, I can put him on a few hands. K5, K9, 55, or a high K like AK, KQ. KK is very unlikely, but also possible. He could also be bluffing here. If I'm ahead, my opponent has at most 3 outs (if he has a strong king). If I'm behind, I have at most 1 out (or drawing dead if he has K9). Add to this UTG+1 and BB who may be on what they think is a live flush draw. I'd rather not blast him out of the hand if he's drawing dead. And if MP1 is bluffing, I'd rather let him continue to bet. When BB starts a raising war with MP1 (which I did not expect), I decided calling down was the best option.River: (23 BB) [6h]BB Bets, Hero calls, BB calls.Just an extension of the turn really. That river has no bearing on the hand. BB finally slowed down though.Final pot: 29 BBWhat do you all think about that turn/river play? Too weak to be worried about the overfull in this situation, or did I do the right thing in saving bets?

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 03:45 PM

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Ok, this hand was very interesting and I'm curious as to your thoughts on my thoughts.  No converter, but I'll make it as pretty as possible.Interpoker .50/1 holdem (9 handed)Preflop: Hero is MP3 with [9c] [9h]1 fold, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, 1 fold, Hero calls, 1 fold, Button calls, SB calls, BB checks.Ok, I'm fairly new to the table, but it has big pot sizes and % to flop.  I figure limping is best as I'd rather play 99 in an unraised 5-6 person pot than a raised 3-4 person pot.  Agree?Flop: (6 SB) [Ks] [5s] [9d]SB checks, BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, Hero Bets, Hero calls, BB calls, BB calls.Standard.  Hit my set on a somewhat coordinated board and raise the censored out of it.  I was tempted to smooth call the C/r from MP1, so that I could make it 2 to go to the rest of the field on the turn if a blank fell, but I think that was FPS trying to tempt me to the dark side.Turn: (11 BB) [Kd]BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 Bets, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls.Ok, here is where it gets murky.  Some of you will probably blast me for slowing down when I filled up here, and I felt kind of weird doing it, but here is my justification:When this card hits and MP1 bets out, I can put him on a few hands.  K5, K9, 55, or a high K like AK, KQ.  KK is very unlikely, but also possible.  He could also be bluffing here.  If I'm ahead, my opponent has at most 3 outs (if he has a strong king).  If I'm behind, I have at most 1 out (or drawing dead if he has K9).  Add to this UTG+1 and BB who may be on what they think is a live flush draw.  I'd rather not blast him out of the hand if he's drawing dead.  And if MP1 is bluffing, I'd rather let him continue to bet.  When BB starts a raising war with MP1 (which I did not expect), I decided calling down was the best option.River: (23 BB) [6h]BB Bets, Hero calls, BB calls.Just an extension of the turn really.  That river has no bearing on the hand.  BB finally slowed down though.Final pot: 29 BBWhat do you all think about that turn/river play?  Too weak to be worried about the overfull in this situation, or did I do the right thing in saving bets?
Got to raise that turn. Your underfull is vulnerable to any donk with Kx and the pot is large enough to worry about protecting your hand now. Raising that turn might actually blow BB out, though he looks like he was on a mission to spew chips regardless. You certainly didn't save any bets with this turn/river play, though I do think it was right to call down on the river.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:07 PM

all I can say is that, I'm not finding anywhere that I'm slowing down. If he has yolu beat then godspeed, but you need to pump that and take that sucker down
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:42 PM

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all I can say is that, I'm not finding anywhere that I'm slowing down. If he has yolu beat then godspeed, but you need to pump that and take that sucker down
I agree. You are WAY WAY ahead here the vast majority of the time and a flush draw will call two cold in this pot on the turn. Keep raising and enjoy the big pot. ANY K is liable to play it like the MP1 and BB played it and they have 5 outs to beat you (2 are shared if they each have a K). Your hand is good here far more than 1/3 of the time so raising is a good idea.Zara

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:44 PM

Just because I want to guess, I say the BB has KX for trip K and MP1 has 55 for a worse full house.Zara

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:26 PM

Raise preflop and turn.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:30 PM

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Raise preflop and turn.
What he said. I'm also 3-betting this river. Only KK, K9, K5, K6 beats us. If he has KK, nice handIf he has one of the other 3, well they're fishies :D
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