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#1 AstroMech

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:36 PM

PS 5 + .5 27 plyr sng... down to about 15 players and stack is pretty short...PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t100 (8 handed) converterCO (t1245)Button (t3160)SB (t985)BB (t4915)UTG (t5050)UTG+1 (t670)Hero (t1105)MP2 (t2005)Preflop: Hero is MP1 with [Kc], [Ks]. UTG calls t100, 1 fold(All-In), Hero ?Was attempting a limp all in raise since my stack was short and I was looking to double up, instead i get this. Would you call or fold?

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:38 PM

why would you fold
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:40 PM

Why would the word fold even cross your mind? That's bonus time, you got exactly what you wanted, all your chips in. Not only that, a triple up! Hooray beer! (Red Stripe reference)

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:45 PM

Kendren said:

Why would the word fold even cross your mind? That's bonus time, you got exactly what you wanted, all your chips in. Not only that, a triple up! Hooray beer! (Red Stripe reference)
red stripe is a very good beer
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:46 PM

Your limp worked perfectly - this is an autocall with KK if I've ever seen one.I'll take having a chance at tripling up with KK over just doubling up any day.You could be against aces, sure, but nothing about the hand makes aces any more likely than QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, TT, AJ, or even a smaller pocket pair.I think I've heard of Red Stripe, but I've never had it, where is it brewed?
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:46 PM

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Why would the word fold even cross your mind? That's bonus time, you got exactly what you wanted, all your chips in. Not only that, a triple up! Hooray beer! (Red Stripe reference)
red stripe is a very good beer
I agree. I love their bottle, too. Have you seen the new commercials? "Red Stripe and reggae... helping our white friends dance for over 50 years!"

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:47 PM

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Your limp worked perfectly - this is an autocall with KK if I've ever seen one.I'll take having a chance at tripling up with KK over just doubling up any day.You could be against aces, sure, but nothing about the hand makes aces any more likely than QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, TT, AJ, or even a smaller pocket pair.I think I've heard of Red Stripe, but I've never had it, where is it brewed?
Jamaica, I think, mon. Caribbean, for sure.

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:48 PM

yes it is a Jamaican Lager that is 6.9% alcohol if I'm not mistaken
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:51 PM

Missed the SB also calling with 985, so facing 3 all ins, nearly a quad up situation... lesse.. take the chance of go out in 15th, 14th, whatever, or nearly quad up to table leader with maybe 13 to play with KK... hrm... call bouncing in your chair to Bob Marley.

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 02:52 PM

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yes it is a Jamaican Lager that is 6.9% alcohol if I'm not mistaken
As they say... Hooray Beer!

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 03:48 PM

Got to call and hope that you didn't limpdonk yourself by failing to push right away.
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:25 PM

No. You should fold here. Tournament poker is about survival. Wait for a better spot to make your move. Heck, any ace could beat you! Someone could hit a set, or two pairs! Fold, and live to fight when the money's right.Ice

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 06:33 PM

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No.  You should fold here.  Tournament poker is about survival.  Wait for a better spot to make your move.  Heck, any ace could beat you!  Someone could hit a set, or two pairs!  Fold, and live to fight when the money's right.Ice
This is a joke right?If someone has aces then so be it. It's gonna happen at times. I'd say there is either QQ or JJ in the hand of the guy UTG, the SB has a weak ace, and the CO has AK or AQ.

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:00 PM

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No.  You should fold here.  Tournament poker is about survival.  Wait for a better spot to make your move.  Heck, any ace could beat you!  Someone could hit a set, or two pairs!  Fold, and live to fight when the money's right.Ice
If this was very early in the tournament or the Hero was closer to the money, this is ok advice at best. Since it's neither one of these, you push and hope for the best. Especially since if you win YOU now have a dominate chip position to most of the table and can push them around.Easy call. The benefits of winning along with the likely hood you're best here mean you have to.Zara

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:01 PM

Kendren said:

MrNiceGuy said:

Your limp worked perfectly - this is an autocall with KK if I've ever seen one.I'll take having a chance at tripling up with KK over just doubling up any day.You could be against aces, sure, but nothing about the hand makes aces any more likely than QQ, JJ, AK, AQ, TT, AJ, or even a smaller pocket pair.I think I've heard of Red Stripe, but I've never had it, where is it brewed?
Jamaica, I think, mon. Caribbean, for sure.
It is brewed in Jamaica and imported by the Guinness Bass Import Co. and it tastes fantastic. One of my favorite beers.

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:39 PM

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No. You should fold here. Tournament poker is about survival. Wait for a better spot to make your move. Heck, any ace could beat you! Someone could hit a set, or two pairs! Fold, and live to fight when the money's right.Ice
If this was very early in the tournament or the Hero was closer to the money, this is ok advice at best. Since it's neither one of these, you push and hope for the best. Especially since if you win YOU now have a dominate chip position to most of the table and can push them around.Easy call. The benefits of winning along with the likely hood you're best here mean you have to.Zara
(sigh) I figured the exclamation points, coupled with the transparently bad advice, would convey the sardonic tone of the post. I refuse to resort to "sarcasm warning"Ice

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:53 PM

TheIceman05 said:

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TheIceman05 said:

No. You should fold here. Tournament poker is about survival. Wait for a better spot to make your move. Heck, any ace could beat you! Someone could hit a set, or two pairs! Fold, and live to fight when the money's right.Ice
If this was very early in the tournament or the Hero was closer to the money, this is ok advice at best. Since it's neither one of these, you push and hope for the best. Especially since if you win YOU now have a dominate chip position to most of the table and can push them around.Easy call. The benefits of winning along with the likely hood you're best here mean you have to.Zara
(sigh) I figured the exclamation points, coupled with the transparently bad advice, would convey the sardonic tone of the post. I refuse to resort to "sarcasm warning"Ice
Umm he's got the second best possible starting hand, less than 10x the BB, and the big stack running what is quite possibly an isolation play.What better situation should he survive and wait for?
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 07:56 PM

HtotheNootch said:

TheIceman05 said:

Zarathustra said:

TheIceman05 said:

No. You should fold here. Tournament poker is about survival. Wait for a better spot to make your move. Heck, any ace could beat you! Someone could hit a set, or two pairs! Fold, and live to fight when the money's right.Ice
If this was very early in the tournament or the Hero was closer to the money, this is ok advice at best. Since it's neither one of these, you push and hope for the best. Especially since if you win YOU now have a dominate chip position to most of the table and can push them around.Easy call. The benefits of winning along with the likely hood you're best here mean you have to.Zara
(sigh) I figured the exclamation points, coupled with the transparently bad advice, would convey the sardonic tone of the post. I refuse to resort to "sarcasm warning"Ice
Umm he's got the second best possible starting hand, less than 10x the BB, and the big stack running what is quite possibly an isolation play.What better situation should he survive and wait for?
Yes. May I ask why you quoted my post in which I agree fully? Ice

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Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:07 PM

TheIceman05 said:

HtotheNootch said:

TheIceman05 said:

Zarathustra said:

TheIceman05 said:

No. You should fold here. Tournament poker is about survival. Wait for a better spot to make your move. Heck, any ace could beat you! Someone could hit a set, or two pairs! Fold, and live to fight when the money's right.Ice
If this was very early in the tournament or the Hero was closer to the money, this is ok advice at best. Since it's neither one of these, you push and hope for the best. Especially since if you win YOU now have a dominate chip position to most of the table and can push them around.Easy call. The benefits of winning along with the likely hood you're best here mean you have to.Zara
(sigh) I figured the exclamation points, coupled with the transparently bad advice, would convey the sardonic tone of the post. I refuse to resort to "sarcasm warning"Ice
Umm he's got the second best possible starting hand, less than 10x the BB, and the big stack running what is quite possibly an isolation play.What better situation should he survive and wait for?
Yes. May I ask why you quoted my post in which I agree fully? Ice
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Posted 23 May 2005 - 08:43 PM

Heh, well thanks for the reply guys. What happened was, first all in guy had JJ, sb had KJ, the big stack had AA, and i called with KK. Aces held up and ended up knocking out three people. I guess I had to call, and was just unlucky that Chipleader had AA.




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