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[Chaserjim]

ChuckSty said:

Honestly i think your best bet is to go to a casino. Watch all the players for a long time. Find someone who is doing well and who you respect the style of, and ask them to teach you. Obviously you want to find someone at a high limit game.  I mean but some guys who are 1st tier pros probably couldn't teach you as much as some other guys who are 5th tier pros; and vice versa. You have to find someone you can learn from.  with all that being said, and you say you've read all the books. i'd take my five grand go to vegas and play 1/2 or 2/5. That's the best way to learn. I mean if you've read everything you already have the knowledge. All you have to do is watch what's going on around you.... watch the people.watch them and when the time is right, raise them.

Thanks for the informative post! Honestly, 1-2 and 2-5 is all I play, and Im pretty successful at it (im not tootin my own horn) . But , for me .. I used to play chess , and I learned from a GM, who had won a couple hundred k over his span, and I paid for his services accordingly. Im basing this 5k offer, off of Josh Ariehs site. I think 125.00 an hour, compared to his ... 225?.00 for a 4 hour block, group lesson .... is a good offer. And im not asking Doyle Bruson , or Hellmuth to come teach me ... just .. someone whos been around the felt, played against top players and won ... Thats all .

[Chaserjim]

Kevin Garceau said:

Jim,Check your PMs  I sent you the contact info for a guy I know that is turning out very successful poker players. Maybe not, million dollar poker pros but taking people from 1/2 limit a few months ago to 15/30 with proper bankroll in no time flat.He has a way of explaining things that really stick. Not some eccentric math wiz, just a very very bright guy with a knack for teaching. That I think is the key.

Thanks kevin! This was all I was really lookin for man!

[mikedshelton]

$5k = 2 1/2 Hours (1/10 day) with PhilHellmuth ... remember he is trying to price himself out of the market but people just keep paying what ever he says it costs... ($50k/day) ... LOL

[Heyou!!!]

Chaserjim said:

Not to insult any "1st tier" pro's by giving them 5 thousand dollars. I just have a drive to learn, and im puttin my bait out there seein if anyone will bite ...  For christ sakes people ....

5K!!Lets say; "1st tier" of corse thats a SB for them,- impossible! "2nd tier" well..guess thats an avg. POT for them "3rd tier" 5k s a nice day of work for them, most def. !! Everyone else I wouldnt listen to for 8 hrs a day, if I was YOU! :wink:

[Afterh0urs]

Kevin,Send me that contact info, too. I'm willing to check it out as I work on my Limit gamesonofdayne@aol.com

[JaysonWeber]

Allright... You don't need to pay a Top pro for this. There are plenty of players at the 50/100 level that might do this, you just have to find someone who A.) Is willing toB.) Lives near you (or would you travel to vegas?)C.) Can actually teach you something! Don't get ripped off! Make sure you have some kind of agreement that if you're unsatisfied after half the time, he/she gets half or less to make them try harder :DBest of luck.. I know Arieh did lessons, But I think they were group lessons. What is it that you feel you are Missing that a pro will teach you? That's what confuses me the most here, you just trying to accelerate your "player growth" clock?

[ChuckSty]

i'm not sure i'd take lessons from Arieh if he paid me.

[ChuckSty]

not that he isn't a good player...but arrongance can cost a lot.

[Heyou!!!]

Sushiman said:

I doubt this will interest anyone other than some 5th tier pro. ......

Exactly!!!!!!!!! :wink:

[HangukMiguk]

Chaserjim said:

And im not asking Doyle Bruson , or Hellmuth to come teach me ... just .. someone whos been around the felt, played against top players and won ... Thats all .

This statement could be dangerous. I mean, I know what you're talking about, as in seasoned players that have won consistently against the top players, but someone could take that statement absolutely literally, and you could get anyone from Paul Phillips who has been around the block, or Temperance Hutter, who just got very very fortunate to have the combination of luck and skill at the right time to make a great place at a major event.I'm not bashing your idea though, I think it's a smart idea. I don't know how fortunate you're going to get, but best of luck to you.

[iowa's finest]

i will do it for free beer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Chaserjim]

No , im not trying to speed up my "Player growth" , that will come naturally .. But theres things you can learn from People , that you cant from books. Sometimes, people express or teach differently irl .. For instance .. Sklansky , his books can be a bit tooooo much at times and it feels like calculus (kidding) ... but along those lines , if I were able to pose my own questions , I would understand it a little bit better.In chess, you could only go so far with books. Books cant evaluate your game for you .. they cant pick up your tells and point them out to you. People CAN do this for me, and thats what Im asking. I think learning from both a person and a book , is better then just learning from a book. And yes , the casinos / clubs have taught me a great deal .. but I dont want to learn from lower caliber players.... It seems like this is a delicate matter for some reason, and Im really not trying to insult people here ... I just want some help.

[elkang]

I suggest a coach for now...http://www.pokercoac..._firststeps.aspPrices are good and take it from there. The mentoring you will get will be phone calls, observations online and emails. You will be able to get a lot out of this and it will make you make better decisions when you plunk down $5K for one on one. I know you don't like online play, but this may just be revealing a mistake in your game. Also, these coaches will help you live. I can also ask around NYC (something I've been meaning to do) for some of the better poker teachers.Keep in mind that a great pro is not necessarily a great teacher.That being said, I am tutoring a few poker students (and some more online soon it looks like) and am always interested in finding out the best methods and of course would like to be mentored too!

[AFD92]

Ok, Just to end this horrid post, I'm willing to offer my services.I'm not a 1-5 tier pro, so accordingly I will only charge 1k.I'm offering a 30 hour week.And we're going to do it over Yahoo MessengerThose are my terms.Let me know

[elkang]

AFD92 said:

Ok,  Just to end this horrid post, I'm willing to offer my services.I'm not a 1-5 tier pro, so accordingly I will only charge 1k.I'm offering a 30 hour week.And we're going to do it over Yahoo MessengerThose are my terms.Let me know

Watch out for people who post like this.This is just not professional and there is no good reason to think this is a option worth pursuing. Yeah, it might work great, but seriously there are better options than random internet person posting.But, go ahead if you want to IM him... I just think it'd be a waste of time.

[rforman13]

Hey Jim....I have a couple of thoughts for you if you do not find exactly what you are looking for.#1 as mentioned before, spend some time in a card room and make some friends. If you have some skills, you will be noticed and you will often find someone to take you under their wing. You should be able to "manipulate" who's wing you go under of you are smart. #2...online poker creates a lot of learning opportunities. You may very well be able to purchase some hand histories from a successful limit or NL player, or they may be willing to let you "railbird" them over their shoulder, etc. If you have some friends that have friends in the poker world, you should be able to find this.I will say this though...the best ways to learn poker is by reading, conversing with others about the game, and taking your lumps on the table. A good player can't teach you everything you need to know in a week, but some hard work and 100k hands will have you well on your way if you are smart and understand the game. You may actually be able to take your 5k, turn it into 25k and have learned the same amount you'd learn in that week with the pro...but with a +30k swing.

[PhishForChips]

Anyone mention Bill Fillmaff yet? I hear he has won at least 9 bracelets.

[AFD92]

elkangPlease tell me you didn't take me seriously...

[elkang]

Xmas32 said:

Shoot Todd Arnold an email....he plays as Diablo VT on 'Stars and NXST2 on other sites....his website is realpokertraining.com, also you can check him out on the pocketfives.com website. The guy is an assolute monster at the tables.

I am a member of realpokertraining and it is great stuff for online tourney play. But, I think this is not what the OP wants. I signed up for 6 months for $110 and it's a good deal.Hopefully, it will improve with other areas like ring games etc.