Qq Facing A 4 Bet

[droberts 3]

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 405040The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterCO: $3.25BTN: $7.00SB: $2.30Hero (BB): $13.45UTG: $2.00UTG+1: $2.00MP: $10.85Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q Q 2 folds, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.40, MP raises to $3, 1 foldno reads... what is best... flat/5 bet/foldhow would we proceed with the flat or 5 bet line if we chose those?would flatting kinda be like set mining also.. kinda turns our hand up imo.

[Royal_Tour 0]

Poker Stars $0.05/$0.10 No Limit Hold'em - 7 players - View hand 405040The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History ConverterCO: $3.25BTN: $7.00SB: $2.30Hero (BB): $13.45UTG: $2.00UTG+1: $2.00MP: $10.85Pre Flop: ($0.15) Hero is BB with Q Q 2 folds, MP raises to $0.30, 2 folds, SB calls $0.25, Hero raises to $1.40, MP raises to $3, 1 foldno reads... what is best... flat/5 bet/foldhow would we proceed with the flat or 5 bet line if we chose those?would flatting kinda be like set mining also.. kinda turns our hand up imo.

after review (and comment from krup. I agree that we arent deep enough to flat)

[krup24 0]

villian and hero are nowhere close to being deep enough to "set mine" or reevaluate anything on the flop. it's a shove or a fold imo and its typically a shove unless were up against a super rock. we are dominating some, dominated some, flipping some. if we flat pf we are losing major value when we are flipping and AK misses. additionally if villian is shoving JJ on any flop and we fold the flop we are losing major value. 200BBs deep we can talk about flatting but not here imo

[Royal_Tour 0]

villian and hero are nowhere close to being deep enough to "set mine" or reevaluate anything on the flop. it's a shove or a fold imo and its typically a shove unless were up against a super rock. we are dominating some, dominated some, flipping some. if we flat pf we are losing major value when we are flipping and AK misses. additionally if villian is shoving JJ on any flop and we fold the flop we are losing major value. 200BBs deep we can talk about flatting but not here imo

I think the only hand we're beating is AK. and thats a flip.I'll put 100% this is AA,KK,AK or the only other combo of QQ. thats it. So maybe the flat isnt the right play.. which would mean i fold.There is just something about the bet sizing that makes me believe He has the goods and isnt 4bb'ing. I also know 100% that our Hero is not capable of making a squeeze play in this spot.and I think our villains also realize this.So its 100% a big PP or AK - imo of course....

[rrumsey 0]

shove pre>fold to the 4 bet>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>flatting

[rbakken2504 0]

I have to agree with Royal, this is a pretty clear fold, its almost always AA or KK, especially with the small reraise. JJ is very unlikely. But take what i say with a grain of salt, as i rarely ever play cash games online (i play live most of the time), and havent played less than $1/$2 NL...so i guess the types of donkeys here could be more LAG than the types i see everyday.

[babylondonks 5]

It's probably close at 10nl FR because everybody is a ****ing nit, but definitely don't flat

[kreppsen 0]

I have to agree with Royal, this is a pretty clear fold, its almost always AA or KK, especially with the small reraise. JJ is very unlikely. But take what i say with a grain of salt, as i rarely ever play cash games online (i play live most of the time), and havent played less than $1/$2 NL...so i guess the types of donkeys here could be more LAG than the types i see everyday.

I don't think JJ is that unlikely, not even 1010. 10NL can offer some real tags that thinks any ace and any pocket pair is absolutely fantastic!

[Luke00016 0]

I think flatting here is out of the question, for reasons stated above. You're either folding or shoving.My only hesitation to shoving here is the small re-raise. At the $10NL, I honestly can't remember the last time I've seen a small 4-bet be anything but AA/KK. This bet size screams of an amateur player saying "I have a great hand and desperately want you to put more money into the pot".I'm actually more inclined to call an all-in 4-bet as your average player at this level will show up with TT+/AK. The tiny 4-bet is almost never anything but AA/KK.Of course, it's $10NL and we've got queens, so I probably donk off a buy-in here, 5-bet, and watch him turn over AA.

[trystero 0]

I just shove against an unknown in 10nlAt 10nl I think we have to proceed with the assumption that most people are bad at poker AND that they will overplay their hands. This contrasts with PLO where we proceed with the assumption that players are indeed bad but that they play very cautiously. So in NLHE imo it's better to err on the side of aggression and "looseness" than on the side of cautionGranted it's fullring and NLHE FR is a stupid pointless nitfest (coming from a nit)

[Royal_Tour 0]

I just shove against an unknown in 10nlAt 10nl I think we have to proceed with the assumption that most people are bad at poker AND that they will overplay their hands.Granted it's fullring and NLHE FR is a stupid pointless nitfest (coming from a nit)

I think people at small stakes over play their hands post flop more so than preflop. Meaning they limp a lot with JJ, and 10,10 mostly because they dont know how to play them.

[hartman72 0]

I think people at small stakes over play their hands post flop more so than preflop. Meaning they limp a lot with JJ, and 10,10 mostly because they dont know how to play them.

This can not be anymore true, especially live. I can think of half a dozen times in the 1/2NL game I play in where the following happens: 2nd position limps, CO calls, I raise on button with 88, 2nd position CALLS, CO folds. Flop is 2 5 8, I bet and 2nd position raises, I ship and he snap calls and flips up JJ or QQ. Why they play it preflop that way then losing everything on the flop is beyond me.