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[Silly String]

PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $0.50 BB (8 handed) converterUTG+1 ($32.85)MP1 ($51.55)MP2 ($19.50)CO ($37.25)Button ($85.60)SanbaggerJO ($12.35)BB ($24.75)UTG ($50.40)Preflop: SanbaggerJO is SB with Q:heart:, A:spade:. 2 folds, MP1 raises to $1,2 folds,Button raises to $1.5, SanbaggerJO calls $1.25, 1 fold, UTG calls $1, MP1 calls $0.50.Flop: ($6) 9:spade:, 3:heart:, Q:spade: (3 players)SanbaggerJO bets $5, UTG folds, MP1 folds, Button raises to $10, SanbaggerJO raises to $10.85, Button calls $0.85.Final Pot: $27.70Should I have known I was beat? 5:1 chance I have best hand?Suggestions, brutality is fine too.

[Vade]

Fold AQo to two raises preflopGoing all in on this flop is okay, but you may still be way behind (raised twice in front of you...got a feelin someone's got at least kings by all the min raising)...you might have to fold this, dunno.Read would be helpful...do these guys minraise with big hands often?

[Swift_Psycho]

Pre-flop fold for me.

[Silly String]

I realize I was out of position, but the preflop re-raise didn't feel like power. I know when I have QQ I want to get head up. I don't min-raise and invite the blinds to the party.My real question is: if you play tight enough to fold this pre-flop, do you still get paid off on your good hands? Are amatuer $.25/.50 NL tables astute enough to even notice how tight people are?

[BeanGW]

Silly String said:

I realize I was out of position, but the preflop re-raise didn't feel like power.  I know when I have QQ I want to get head up.  I don't min-raise and invite the blinds to the party.My real question is:  if you play tight enough to fold this pre-flop, do you still get paid off on your good hands?  Are amatuer $.25/.50 NL tables astute enough to even notice how tight people are?

It's not about the astuteness of your opponents. A-Q offsuit is a strong starting hand, but it should usually be folded to a preflop raise... and MUST be folded to a preflop reraise.Honestly, from my experience it's just generally safer to just fold in these situations and wait for better opportunities. You really don't want your opponents to recognize that you are playing tight/aggressive poker, cauz then they won't play along with you when you have the goods.From my experience you absolutely get paid off on your good hands at these tables. In this case you were out of position against a raise and reraise, and ya just have to let it go.

[krup24]

BeanGW said:

It's not about the astuteness of your opponents.  A-Q offsuit is a strong starting hand, but it should usually be folded to a preflop raise... and MUST be folded to a preflop reraise.Honestly, from my experience it's just generally safer to just fold in these situations and wait for better opportunities.  You really don't want your opponents to recognize that you are playing tight/aggressive poker, cauz then they won't play along with you when you have the goods.From my experience you absolutely get paid off on your good hands at these tables.  In this case you were out of position against a raise and reraise, and ya just have to let it go.

Don't think you MUST fold AQ to a reraise. What if pocket 10s are reraising pocket 7s or AJ? I personally hate AQ and tend to be up against KK w/ it quite a bit so I rarely play it personally. Doyle hates it as does DN. Believe DN calls it like 3.2 or something as in 3.2 million he lost with that hand. I freaking hate AQ.

[powerpoker]

yea outta position with AQ off is no fun at all...ppl think its this all powerful hand but facing a raise and a re-raise i would lay it down quickly...after the flop only a few hands to worry about...KK, AA or a set...so i dont mind your all in but you could have saved youself a lot of trouble by just gettin outta the way preflop

[BeanGW]

krup24 said:

Don't think you MUST fold AQ to a reraise.  What if pocket 10s are reraising pocket 7s or AJ?  I personally hate AQ and tend to be up against KK w/ it quite a bit so I rarely play it personally.  Doyle hates it as does DN.  Believe DN calls it like 3.2 or something as in 3.2 million he lost with that hand.  I freaking hate AQ.

Krup:I don't quite understand your post here... first you are saying that I shouldn't think I MUST fold AQ to a reraise, but then basically tell me you'd do the same thing.The fact of the matter is that when a pot is raised and reraised before getting to you in the SB and you have AQ, you should fold. It's not a question, it's not a debatable point, it's just good poker sense. It's a -EV call, and not worth it, especially from crummy position. If you polled 20 of the top posters in this forum, I would bet good money that 90% of them would agree with me that this is a must fold scenario.

[JaysonWeber]

Fold the AQ here...Calling AQos to a raise and re-raise in NL is one of the fishiest things you can do. Especially given your Position er.. lack there of.

[Petoria]

I dont think that big bet on the flop means the guy has AK that missed either. Fold FOLD FOLD

[krup24]

BeanGW said:

Krup:I don't quite understand your post here... first you are saying that I shouldn't think I MUST fold AQ to a reraise, but then basically tell me you'd do the same thing.The fact of the matter is that when a pot is raised and reraised before getting to you in the SB and you have AQ, you should fold.  It's not a question, it's not a debatable point, it's just good poker sense.  It's a -EV call, and not worth it, especially from crummy position.  If you polled 20 of the top posters in this forum, I would bet good money that 90% of them would agree with me that this is a must fold scenario.

What I'm saying is that I personally would fold it preflop but I don't necessarily think that the odds recommend a fold here w/ out seeing the flop.Would love to see the list of the top 20 posters. How do you become a top poster? Lots of posts or lots of experience.

[Silly String]

I reiterate from my 2nd post, I didn't think the re-raise pre-flop was that strong, especially if he wanted to get heads up. It was a fishy table(loose-passive) on a Friday night. Experience is the best teacher, and it looks like I was another fish in the barrel. As you can see by my whopping $12 bankroll, I was pretty successful that night. I've read this forum long enough that I know better. AQo not good to a re-raise. I know better, I know better. :hitting self on forehead: Thanks for all the input guys.