CoolHandKai 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 Live tournament, 30+6 pounds (so 45$ per player for the prize pool) 57 players. It's down to 3 tables, 25 players left.Blinds 300/600, 20 minute levels, 10 minutes to go to the next level 400/800. 8 players at my table, but one is "sitting out" and has 1bb left anyway, so effectively it's 7 handed.The very solid playing Chip Leader limps for 600.Everyone else folds.I elect to complete in the small blind With J10o, have an average stack of about 6k behind.Big blind with 4k checks his option.The Flop is 610J, all hearts. I decide to lead out for 1.2k into 1.8k. Is this a mistake?The big blind folds, the chip leader reraises to 4.2k.What's your take on the situation?I'll cook up a hand history for you guys:Life No-Limit Hold'em, 45$+9$ Tournament, 300/600 Blinds (8 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comsolid (t10000)random1 (t2000)TAG (t4000)random2 (t5000)prettygirl (t8000)Hero (SB) (t6400)tightpassive (t4000)sittingout (t600)Hero's M: 7.56Preflop: Hero is SB with J, 101 fold, UTG+1 calls t600, 4 folds, Hero calls t300, BB checksFlop: (t1800) 6, 10, J(3 players)Hero bets t1200, 1 fold, solid raises t4200Total pot: t7200 (3k to call, I have 4.6k total)EDIT: Was misremembering things. At the time of the reraise, I only had about 7bb left. Corrected the stack sizes accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites
rbakken2504 0 Posted November 13, 2009 Share Posted November 13, 2009 You are never folding here...top two with less than ten BB's. If he flopped a flush, than so be it. but with this poor tourney structure you cant wait forever, and its more likely you'll see villain show a big pair, big jack, or a big draw. Link to post Share on other sites
kreppsen 0 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 You are never folding here...top two with less than ten BB's. If he flopped a flush, than so be it. but with this poor tourney structure you cant wait forever, and its more likely you'll see villain show a big pair, big jack, or a big draw.You have an average stack of 7M? That's god awful really. As for the hand, shove and if he shows up two hearts leave the table and get a drink in the bar. One of the hands he might have limped with is AJo where the ace might be a heart. Do you got any reads on villain apart from the 'solid' name you've given him? Also, your flop bet is fine. 1/2-2/3 of the pot is fine as a value bet here with two limpers. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 You have an average stack of 7M? That's god awful really. As for the hand, shove and if he shows up two hearts, 6 outter him with a fullhouse and say something really cocky in chat. Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted November 14, 2009 Share Posted November 14, 2009 First of all you are not being REraised, it;s just a raise, which isn't big at all. Secondly, SHOVE FML !!! Link to post Share on other sites
CoolHandKai 0 Posted November 14, 2009 Author Share Posted November 14, 2009 First of all you are not being REraised, it;s just a raiseTrue. Nitpicky, but nonetheless true., which isn't big at all.I disagree, it is a big raise. Big enough that any shove of mine has no fold equity.You have an average stack of 7M? That's god awful really. As for the hand, shove and if he shows up two hearts leave the table and get a drink in the bar. One of the hands he might have limped with is AJo where the ace might be a heart. Do you got any reads on villain apart from the 'solid' name you've given him? Also, your flop bet is fine. 1/2-2/3 of the pot is fine as a value bet here with two limpers.It seems to be the consensus here to shove, which makes me feel a little better.Your reasoning is sound, I pretty much arrived at the same conclusion. At the table I only thought through some of it, but it was pretty clear that a big raise from a good player can mean one of two things:A) He has a baby flush and wants to protect it against someone drawing to the nut flush. Since this guy has seen that the short stacks were in push/fold move, it is very unlikely that he'd limp with a suited connector at this stage of the tournament, though. I don't see him having a baby flush very often in this spot.B) He wants to end the hand right now, but if he does get called, he'll have outs to draw to the nuts. Basically I figured he would have the ace of hearts and another face card, probably a jack for TPTK.A bluff was very unlikely, as he didn't strike me as a bluffer. The guy was in his mid 50s and got pretty upset when some 30year old showed him a bluff previously. He might have raised the nut flush, but I also think that is unlikely - I think he'd rather put in a smaller raise or even smooth call to get me to invest more chips.I did make the push, he naturally instacalled and had AQ, with the ace of hearts. Next card was a king, last card didn't give me a boat and so I was out of the tournament.Thanks for the answers, glad to hear that it wasn't a mistake to ship it and be in a coin flip situation, which would have made me the chip leader (at the table at least). Link to post Share on other sites
stenitz2 0 Posted November 17, 2009 Share Posted November 17, 2009 Hrmm. That is a pretty good drawing hand for him, 4 outs to a straight and any heart for a nut flush. I also would've shoved.I think his bet was a little trappy. He knew if you called it you would be pot committed, which is often a way of saying "all-in me".I don't like calling JT from the SB with 7 BBs at all though. A limp from an early position is often a nice hand (someone said AJo and lo and behold it was AQo) and with 7 BB I think your options are fold/shove. Otherwise you're inviting a shove if you have to check any flop. Link to post Share on other sites
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