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post Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 4:08 PM
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Wrong thread, please ignore or delete.
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post Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 10:24 PM
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QUOTE (viva la cam @ Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 3:34 PM) *
i kno its not... thats why i laughed cuz he said he does

stfu

show me ONE HH where u dumped QQ preflop.
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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 1:56 AM
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QUOTE (droberts @ Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 7:24 AM) *
stfu

show me ONE HH where u dumped QQ preflop.

You don't fold queens on flop to a raise like this, you just don't. Viva, if you've folded queens here that's a leak I'd try to fix asap.


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 9:26 AM
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Villain is 6/6 over 110 hands, first 4 bet that I noticed...

v1.08Moooooooooooraaawwwr.
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.02/$0.05 - 8 players

UTG+1 blokkak47: $1.00
MP scotto9593: $2.02
HJ gatubelinha: $6.26
CO dumb cow: $2.00
Button Papa1245: $7.78
BB eFrisbee: $2.10
UTG Hero: $5.00

Preflop: ($0.07) Hero is UTG with (8 players)
2 folds, gatubelinha raises to $0.20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $0.60, gatubelinha raises to $1.35, Hero folds

gatubelinha won $1.27
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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 1:42 PM
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Silly converter messing up the positions again... doubt I'm UTG...


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 2:24 PM
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Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players

UTG+1: $78.65
CO: $94.60
Button: $50.50 (Hero)
SB: $26.10
BB: $52.75
UTG: $53.40

Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is Button with qs.gif qd.gif (6 players)
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, SB folds, BB calls $5.50, CO raises to $24.25, Hero folds, BB calls $18.25

Flop: ($54.75) 8s.gif 8c.gif 8d.gif (2 players)
BB checks, CO bets $19, BB raises to $28.50, and is all in, CO calls $9.50

Turn: ($111.75) 9d.gif (2 players)

River: ($111.75) jd.gif (2 players)

CO showed ad.gif ac.gif, and won ($108.75) with a full house, Eights full of Aces
BB showed kd.gif kh.gif, and lost with a full house, Eights full of Kings
CO won $108.75
(Rake: $3)


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 2:37 PM
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QUOTE (kreppsen @ Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 10:56 AM) *
You don't fold queens on flop to a raise like this excl.gif, you just don't. Viva, if you've folded queens here that's a leak I'd try to fix asap.

That's a totally different hand and we're not even heads up. Here we're getting a raise 1,5 times our own, close to a min raise. In TNs hand we raise, get a call and then someone 4-bet us 5 times our raise.

Nice fold though.


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 8:43 PM
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ok so i posted in the other thread first, then saw this one..

If i was in this situation. looking at the opening raise from MP1 and leaving himself 7 dollars is kinda what shapes this hand.

MP2 should realize that MP1 isnt going to just call the raise. but rather move all in.

so MP2 is obv preped for that.


Now. MP1 re-raise for 3.50 more all in is at least 50% of the inital raise and therefore re-opens the betting to MP2.

so you could look at a cold call of 5 dollars as a safe way to fold queens if MP2 comes over the top once more.

but you'll be kicking yourself when they both turn over AK/AK

and since i usually win every hand i play i'd rather play this one..


my advice is to re-pop to 18 preflop. have MP1 call off all in with AK.. MP2 folds his AK.. and you win mobneys

and anyone who is about to reply with "wouldnt you want MP2 to cbet?"

No.. i dont. because he wont. if it goes to the flop and he misses. he isnt Cbeting. unless he is a moron. but you havent specified that.

infact. he is more liable to re-pop preflop with AK if u flat call, and MP1 shoves. which would most likely force u off your hand


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 8:48 PM
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QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 2:24 PM) *
Feral Cow Poker Hand Converter
Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em $0.25/$0.50 - 6 players

UTG+1: $78.65
CO: $94.60
Button: $50.50 (Hero)
SB: $26.10
BB: $52.75
UTG: $53.40

Preflop: ($0.75) Hero is Button with qs.gif qd.gif (6 players)
2 folds, CO raises to $1.75, Hero raises to $6, SB folds, BB calls $5.50, CO raises to $24.25, Hero folds, BB calls $18.25

Flop: ($54.75) 8s.gif 8c.gif 8d.gif (2 players)
BB checks, CO bets $19, BB raises to $28.50, and is all in, CO calls $9.50

Turn: ($111.75) 9d.gif (2 players)

River: ($111.75) jd.gif (2 players)

CO showed ad.gif ac.gif, and won ($108.75) with a full house, Eights full of Aces
BB showed kd.gif kh.gif, and lost with a full house, Eights full of Kings
CO won $108.75
(Rake: $3)


I'm such a n00b I woulda floppeded the sailbaot



this is an example thats fun. but yet so far from our actual issue in this hand.

because of your position in this hand, its actually easy.


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 8:51 PM
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QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Friday, November 6th, 2009, 12:48 AM) *
this is an example thats fun. but yet so far from our actual issue in this hand.

because of your position in this hand, its actually easy.


I know it was a supereasy fold and doesn't relate to the actual hand... but somebody said "I DAREZ JOO TO SHOW ME TO FOLD ZE QUEENS WITHOUT TO SEE THE FLOOP" so I did


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 8:56 PM
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QUOTE (Lucoo_ @ Wednesday, November 4th, 2009, 10:20 AM) *
Yeah i agree on this, i thought he could have like TT-JJ and AQ/AK trying to isolate the donk shorstack. So i went ahead and 4 bet to 14. Both players folded


i missed this the first time around. pretty LOLz.

But yea. this is a fine way to play this hand. Infact, its better than fine.

if anyone can tell me why this was the ultimate line, i'll send them nudes.




QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 8:51 PM) *
I know it was a supereasy fold and doesn't relate to the actual hand... but somebody said "I DAREZ JOO TO SHOW ME TO FOLD ZE QUEENS WITHOUT TO SEE THE FLOOP" so I did


how many tables are you playing at once when you normally play?


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 9:10 PM
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QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Friday, November 6th, 2009, 12:56 AM) *
how many tables are you playing at once when you normally play?


12-16 if TAG

8 if LAG

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QUOTE (Royal_Tour @ Friday, November 6th, 2009, 12:56 AM) *
if anyone can tell me why this was the ultimate line, i'll send them nudes.


I was going to stick to my guns about cold calling anyhow, no need to re-enforce my position


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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 9:24 PM
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QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 9:10 PM) *
I was going to stick to my guns about cold calling anyhow, no need to re-enforce my position


questions.

knowing what we know about the actual results.. How do you play the following. Keeping in mind of the "real results"

you cold call.

MP1 folds.

flop comes 10h, 6h,5s.

action on you...


Q1- are you c/r here because you're hoping to get a Cbet from AK/AQ..
or
Q2 - are you leading the flop?


next step

Q1 - you check flop. villain bet 11. you do what?

Q2 - you lead flop wit a bet of 9 villain flats. Turn is 6c.. you do what?




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post Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 10:13 PM
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I never donk bet, and with Q's on a board like that I'm c-cing. Mostly because only stuff that beats me and the occasional flush draw are calling the c-r, but double barreling seems to happen frequently enough for it to be a profitable line.


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post Friday, November 6th, 2009, 8:55 AM
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QUOTE (Temporary Nuts @ Thursday, November 5th, 2009, 10:51 PM) *
I know it was a supereasy fold and doesn't relate to the actual hand... but somebody said "I DAREZ JOO TO SHOW ME TO FOLD ZE QUEENS WITHOUT TO SEE THE FLOOP" so I did

nobody dared you specifically to show folding queens pre... i was talking to viva obv..

folding them in certain situations is ez... especially in yours i believe.
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