milbucksfans 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 11 remaining at this point. Played quite a few hands with villain - solid player, was playing probably half the hands at this stage. Hadn't shown down any bluffs that I can recall. Is there any way for me to toss this hand at any stage?PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 75 Ante (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP (t11121)Button (t45534)SB (t19794)BB (t38375)Hero (UTG) (t23278)Hero's M: 14.78Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 , Q Hero bets t1800, 3 folds, BB calls t1000Flop: (t4375) Q , 6 , 10 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t2700, BB calls t2700Turn: (t9775) 4 (2 players)BB checks, Hero bets t5100, BB raises to t12000, Hero ??? Link to post Share on other sites
rbakken2504 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 no....you've put 50% of your stack in the pot and they're tons of hands in his range you beat and very few that beat you.your preflop raise was too small, and im not sure why youre raising this hand anyway...you have a guy behind you with a reshove stack.But as played, you cant fold Link to post Share on other sites
cdipierr 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 You're getting it in now, but he has QT...they always have QT, stupid hand that it is.That said, with 11 left in an 180, why are you raising Q6 OOP? With an M of 14.78 to start, you're pretty close to shove land. If you want to shove Q6s that's your prerogative, but raising small just creates spots like this. Personally I'd rather find an A or a K in CO or button and shove to accumulate chips. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yeah fold, you're beaten by Q10. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 bad hand utg even 5 handed, open was tiny, and i bet bigger on the flop when i find myslef in this spot, and yah all you can eat and you probably ran into q10 or a set and that is what you get for opening this hand UTG. Your M is right in the range where we open hands preflop normal but they need to be good hands that will have continuing power on the flop because we are kind of short to be in the business of folding a ton of flops. Why did you open this hand by the way i mean it is almost neg EV versus random! and villain has better than random if they are calling you open! Link to post Share on other sites
emetjr 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 fold preflop please Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 You're all a bunch of nits. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 No.And...You're all a bunch of nits. Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 You're all a bunch of nits.^^Nothing wrong with the open or sizing, especially 5 handed. Link to post Share on other sites
milbucksfans 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Author Share Posted October 30, 2009 ^^Nothing wrong with the open or sizing, especially 5 handed.Thank you. Let's please remember that we're five-handed here. Another thing to note (which I didn't initially) was that I had pitched for the previous two orbits. If we're sitting around waiting for an ace or a pair to open short-handed, we're just being blinded off. Is Q6 ideal? Of course not. But I'm obv folding to a sizable re-raise. The small raise was designed for that purpose. Opening bigger is worse, IMO.Yes, I could have pitched it pre-flop, but I really don't think the raise is that unreasonable.Anyway, thanks for the responses. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Thank you. Let's please remember that we're five-handed here. Another thing to note (which I didn't initially) was that I had pitched for the previous two orbits. If we're sitting around waiting for an ace or a pair to open short-handed, we're just being blinded off. Is Q6 ideal? Of course not. But I'm obv folding to a sizable re-raise. The small raise was designed for that purpose. Opening bigger is worse, IMO.Yes, I could have pitched it pre-flop, but I really don't think the raise is that unreasonable.Anyway, thanks for the responses.This reasoning would make sense if you raised with suited connectors or K10 etc... but with Q6 you are wrong. Dont make this play. You arent winning many big hands with Q6 in this spot, but you can lose quite a few big pots. I dont think you are good enough to make this play as you will get yourself in a lot of trouble. I doubt you could get away from top pair hands and you would lose much of your not so big stack. Also, if you are asking if you could get away from this hand then you arent good enough to play it. Fold preflop next time. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 no....you've put 50% of your stack in the pot and they're tons of hands in his range you beat and very few that beat you. your preflop raise was too small, and im not sure why youre raising this hand anyway...you have a guy behind you with a reshove stack. But as played, you cant foldWhich is exactly why so many player are converting to opening raises of 2.5xbb or less. Very few players are going to call because of the .5bb they don't have to put in, but it saves you that much when you get re-popped. This reasoning would make sense if you raised with suited connectors or K10 etc... but with Q6 you are wrong. Dont make this play. You arent winning many big hands with Q6 in this spot, but you can lose quite a few big pots. I dont think you are good enough to make this play as you will get yourself in a lot of trouble. I doubt you could get away from top pair hands and you would lose much of your not so big stack. Also, if you are asking if you could get away from this hand then you arent good enough to play it. Fold preflop next time. LOL @ that logic. We all have been in tough spots with AA/KK/QQ/AK where we aren't sure if we can fold/call/whatever....does that mean we should muck them preBtw, am i the only one that missed this..... 11 remaining at this point. Played quite a few hands with villain - solid player, was playing probably half the hands at this stage. Hadn't shown down any bluffs that I can recall. Is there any way for me to toss this hand at any stage? PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 4.4 Tournament, 400/800 Blinds 75 Ante (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com MP (t11121) Button (t45534) SB (t19794) BB (t38375) Hero (UTG) (t23278) Hero's M: 14.78 Preflop: Hero is UTG with 6 , Q Hero bets t1800, 3 folds, BB calls t1000 Flop: (t4375) Q , 6 , 10 (2 players) BB checks, Hero bets t2700, BB calls t2700 Turn: (t9775) 4 (2 players) BB checks, Hero bets t5100, BB raises to t12000, Hero ??? Not to mention that this may not be a bluff, but AQ/KQ/QJ/Q4s maybe QhXh. Yeah, you'll run into sets and QT but it happens. With 40% of my stack in though, idk... I don't see a fold. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 This reasoning would make sense if you raised with suited connectors or K10 etc... but with Q6 you are wrong. Dont make this play. You arent winning many big hands with Q6 in this spot, but you can lose quite a few big pots. I dont think you are good enough to make this play as you will get yourself in a lot of trouble. I doubt you could get away from top pair hands and you would lose much of your not so big stack. Also, if you are asking if you could get away from this hand then you arent good enough to play it. Fold preflop next time.Yes, and a hand like K10 or even suited connectors can't get you into trouble. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Yes, and a hand like K10 or even suited connectors can't get you into trouble. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 LOL @ that logic. We all have been in tough spots with AA/KK/QQ/AK where we aren't sure if we can fold/call/whatever....does that mean we should muck them preTough spots with AA/KK/QQ/AK is very different then tough spots with Q6. Nice try though. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Yes, and a hand like K10 or even suited connectors can't get you into trouble.Not nearly the trouble Q6 would get you in. How many big draws are you flopping with Q6? I dont know about you, but I find it much easier to play hands that have draw potential then to play hands strictly for steal opportunities. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Not nearly the trouble Q6 would get you in. How many big draws are you flopping with Q6? I dont know about you, but I find it much easier to play hands that have draw potential then to play hands strictly for steal opportunities.HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm suppose to play hands to flop big draws?Seriously, your posts in this thread are borderline terrible and just annoying. Just the way you type them reminds me of this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znowCx_y7nU Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Tough spots with AA/KK/QQ/AK is very different then tough spots with Q6. Nice try though.please enlighten me as to how is so different, oh wise one. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 HAHAHAHAHAHA. I'm suppose to play hands to flop big draws?Seriously, your posts in this thread are borderline terrible and just annoying. Just the way you type them reminds me of this.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znowCx_y7nU Well dummy, when you are raising to steal, your backup plan is to have a hand that can flop big or a big draw. Q6 can only do one of those. You are making yourself sound stupid. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 please enlighten me as to how is so different, oh wise one.Are you kidding me? This cant be a serious question. I cant reply to such stupidity. Link to post Share on other sites
XXEddie 0 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 Are you kidding me? This cant be a serious question. I cant reply to such stupidity.My point exactly. Link to post Share on other sites
dead money 1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 My point exactly.So your point is that you are too stupid to talk to? I find that hard to believe. Even for you. Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 This can't be real. There is absolutely nothing wrong with opening Q6 here and the argument you're giving is so basic, low level, and illogical that I don't know where to start picking it apart. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted October 31, 2009 Share Posted October 31, 2009 You should try though Tehtoe, especially since this guy seems to think he's god's gift to poker. I'd love to see you put him in his place. Link to post Share on other sites
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