mrpaddyx 13 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Below is the knockout hand from my most recent torunament. I just got moved to this table so have no information about any of the players. With the raise and reraise in front of me I am suspicious that at least one of the players has a high ace and another has at least a pair. I only have 13 big blinds left so am I nuts for even considering folding here? PokerStars Game #34658670780: Tournament #206545119, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XII (150/300) - 2009/10/29 19:24:28 WET [2009/10/29 15:24:28 ET]Table '206545119 119' 9-max Seat #3 is the buttonSeat 1: B O wulf (4400 in chips) Seat 2: Schlitzohr22 (10660 in chips) Seat 3: Jim Canut (6035 in chips) Seat 4: MLN.KTM (7910 in chips) Seat 5: mrpaddyx (3980 in chips) Seat 6: heatraiders (8855 in chips) Seat 7: Louis-Anja (6378 in chips) Seat 8: myessmyess (4965 in chips) Seat 9: Miquel_Cotto (5420 in chips) B O wulf: posts the ante 40Schlitzohr22: posts the ante 40Jim Canut: posts the ante 40MLN.KTM: posts the ante 40mrpaddyx: posts the ante 40heatraiders: posts the ante 40Louis-Anja: posts the ante 40myessmyess: posts the ante 40Miquel_Cotto: posts the ante 40MLN.KTM: posts small blind 150mrpaddyx: posts big blind 300*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to mrpaddyx [Qd Qh]heatraiders: folds Louis-Anja: folds myessmyess: raises 300 to 600Miquel_Cotto: folds B O wulf: folds Schlitzohr22: raises 600 to 1200Jim Canut: folds MLN.KTM: folds mrpaddyx: ??? Link to post Share on other sites
Sick Boy 0 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Its pretty close but I would say prob shove here. Dont post results. Link to post Share on other sites
Andynice20 0 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 You've got 13BB's, pick up the 3rd best starting hand in HoldEm and your thinking about waiting for something better?WTF is close? Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Gotta shove that, Paddy, even if the min raise and min re-raise are looking rather sinister. Sure, you could fold, but QQ is really too good a hand not to give her a shot with. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 uhm please convert and yah all you can eat stick it in we have to we can't fold queens in this spot but i wouldn't be too suprised if you are way behind but folding is out of the option, we are too short to see a flop before we get it in also so as a matter of deductive reasoning we shove Link to post Share on other sites
mrpaddyx 13 Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 Yeah, i'm pretty much in agreement with what everyone is saying here, below is what happenend. I didconsider folding due to the raise and reraise but there was not way I could find a way of folding (unless I was on the buble, and it wasn't even close). I think I am just over thinking it considering the cards that my opponents hand, and what happened is the only logical thing that could have happened. mrpaddyx: raises 2740 to 3940 and is all-inmyessmyess: raises 985 to 4925 and is all-inSchlitzohr22: calls 3725*** FLOP *** [Jc 6s 7h]*** TURN *** [Jc 6s 7h] [2h]*** RIVER *** [Jc 6s 7h 2h] [Kd]*** SHOW DOWN ***myessmyess: shows [Kc Ks] (three of a kind, Kings)Schlitzohr22: shows [As Ad] (a pair of Aces)myessmyess collected 1970 from side potmrpaddyx: shows [Qd Qh] (a pair of Queens)myessmyess collected 12330 from main pot*** SUMMARY ***Total pot 14300 Main pot 12330. Side pot 1970. | Rake 0 Board [Jc 6s 7h 2h Kd]Seat 1: B O wulf folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 2: Schlitzohr22 showed [As Ad] and lost with a pair of AcesSeat 3: Jim Canut (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 4: MLN.KTM (small blind) folded before FlopSeat 5: mrpaddyx (big blind) showed [Qd Qh] and lost with a pair of QueensSeat 6: heatraiders folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 7: Louis-Anja folded before Flop (didn't bet)Seat 8: myessmyess showed [Kc Ks] and won (14300) with three of a kind, KingsSeat 9: Miquel_Cotto folded before Flop (didn't bet) Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 You have 13 BBs plus antes are in play. Your M is under 5. You hold the 3rd best starting hand in NLHE.No wonder the good players don't post in FCP strat anymore. Link to post Share on other sites
mrpaddyx 13 Posted October 29, 2009 Author Share Posted October 29, 2009 You have 13 BBs plus antes are in play. Your M is under 5. You hold the 3rd best starting hand in NLHE.No wonder the good players don't post in FCP strat anymore.Erm cheers, i think. I only considered it for about 10 seconds, I can't see myself ever folding here. This thread woudn't have existed if I the other 2 hadn't caught Aces and Kings (and yeah I know BBFIDTS). Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Its pretty close but I would say prob shove here. Dont post results.LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Plzzzzzzzz don't be serious when you say its pretty close. NO NOT CLOSE AT ALL IT IS A 4.40...you have QQ, I could be 40bbs deep, I'm finding a way to get it in. No questions asked Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Ok, I'm giong to take a more serious approach to this hand, mrpaddy: Alright, even though you just got moved to the table, assume everyone sucks...just like, everyone is horrible. when the raise happens his range can be, A9s+, JTs+, prolly 66+, and KTo+ (with some Q9 and other hands). Now the 3bet is prolly going to be a little more narrower (like, ATo, 88+, KJ+). Now your destroying the pair almost like, all of the time. But there is also a good chance on both of them having like AK or something where then it isn't a flip anymore. Never try to find a reason to fold QQ unless you are ubber deep and the action is like 5bet or something Link to post Share on other sites
HighwayStar 8 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 Ok, I'm giong to take a more serious approach to this hand, mrpaddy: Alright, even though you just got moved to the table, assume everyone sucks...just like, everyone is horrible. when the raise happens his range can be, A9s+, JTs+, prolly 66+, and KTo+ (with some Q9 and other hands). Now the 3bet is prolly going to be a little more narrower (like, ATo, 88+, KJ+). Now your destroying the pair almost like, all of the time. But there is also a good chance on both of them having like AK or something where then it isn't a flip anymore. Never try to find a reason to fold QQ unless you are ubber deep and the action is like 5bet or somethingtl;dr Link to post Share on other sites
Sick Boy 0 Posted October 29, 2009 Share Posted October 29, 2009 LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL Plzzzzzzzz don't be serious when you say its pretty close. NO NOT CLOSE AT ALL IT IS A 4.40...you have QQ, I could be 40bbs deep, I'm finding a way to get it in. No questions askedEasily.Lol yeah jk, its a pretty standard shove op I only said it was close cause you posted the result and I knew you lost. Link to post Share on other sites
kobe2odom8 14 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 fold pre yo Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Easily.Lol yeah jk, its a pretty standard shove op I only said it was close cause you posted the result and I knew you lost.wat. Link to post Share on other sites
Lucoo_ 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Shove shove shove !!! it's a 4.40. I've seen situations like this where people show down A5 and AJ or even worse. Link to post Share on other sites
Andynice20 0 Posted October 30, 2009 Share Posted October 30, 2009 Ok, I'm giong to take a more serious approach to this hand, mrpaddy: Alright, even though you just got moved to the table, assume everyone sucks...just like, everyone is horrible. when the raise happens his range can be, A9s+, JTs+, prolly 66+, and KTo+ (with some Q9 and other hands). Now the 3bet is prolly going to be a little more narrower (like, ATo, 88+, KJ+). Now your destroying the pair almost like, all of the time. But there is also a good chance on both of them having like AK or something where then it isn't a flip anymore. Never try to find a reason to fold QQ unless you are ubber deep and the action is like 5bet or something +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1 +1In a tourney even with 50BB's I'm prob looking to get it in here unless I have an INSANE read. Side game obv I might play a bit different dep on the situation, might not depending on the player, but that's a whole other animal. Link to post Share on other sites
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