Bet Or Check?

[delved 0]

This guy has been running with me the whole time. Wasn't fairly aggresive at all either. Do you like the hand, and can someone tell me what M means?Full Tilt No-Limit Hold'em, 2.25 Tournament, 15/30 Blinds (5 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comMP (t1355)Villain (Button) (t1650)SB (t1635)BB (t1685)Hero (UTG) (t2490)Hero's M: 55.33Preflop: Hero is UTG with K , A Hero bets t90, 1 fold, Villain calls t90, 1 fold, BB calls t60Flop: (t285) 7 , K , 3 (3 players)BB checks, Hero bets t115, Villain calls t115, 1 foldTurn: (t515) 5 (2 players)Hero bets t285, Villain calls t285River: (t1085) 10 (2 players)Hero ...?

[Mercury69 3]

When I'm plauying this hand, Villain usually has suited rags and hit their flush. That being said, I think you can represent the flush yourself by making what appears to be a value bet of about 400 or so. If re-raised (likely shove), you'd probably be best off folding. A check might actually be better, as it might show disinterest in the pot and Villain might try a "value bet" with air (repping the flush) or a lesser K or middle pair to try and steal the pot, in which case a crying call could be made, depending on the size of his bet. I'm guessing he would shove the river, which would require a fold from you, as he may really have the flush or managed to pair his weak kicker to go with the K he's holding (KT?)

[rrumsey 0]

agree and i would have fired a slightly bigger c-bet of about 140 on flop---M is your stack/(sb+bb+antes) gives you an idea of how many orbits you have until you are in danger zoneEffective M from Harrington is M*(# of players/how many players at the table) but dont worry about that too muchM isn't always that important, but becomes extremely important when you start to get around 12ish and lower you need to be very mindful of your play and pot commitment

[MaxStPolish 4]

Be aware of your bet sizing. You should have bet more on the turn. Your hand still looks great and dominates the bulk of his range on 4th street. If you bet closer to the pot, you clearly price him out of his flush draw AND you leave yourself to one nice PSB on the river. This is probably a perfect example hand of the importance of bet sizing. Since you kept your bets smaller, you are now buried on the river here where the flush gets there, and while you didn't lay him correct odds to call the draw on the turn, you did lay better odds...and that mixed with bad players and those that love implied odds, could have made the call. If you shove this river you are overbetting the pot, if you check, you are giving him the keys to the castle, and I think any minimal bet here does not look like value, it reeks of weakness to the villain. The only chance this works is if he's on some busted hand (doesn't look plausible on this board) AND doesn't think there's any FE to a raise AI by him here.Especially since you are OOP, this turn bet needs to be way stronger. I can't really even do an "as-played" analysis, because the whole analysis is that this turn bet has to be beefed up.

[cdipierr 0]

I'll do an "as played", but the bet sizing posts above are right on.As played, I think you check call a bet of up to about 500. This is admittedly about 1/2 your remaining stack at this point. If he has the flush or KT, then just find two cards you like to start shoving with until you double up or bust (which is probably not that hard considering it's a $2.25). But I think you'll snap off KQ, KJ type of hands a lot at this level.

[rrumsey 0]

if the betting was what we wanted to do this is a c/c river to a more or less pot sized bet IMO because we should have priced out the flushes so we still have decent equity

[delved 0]

I bet over half the pot on the turn which I thought was a good bet.

[SwolyswoND 1]

Meh. I bet bigger on the flop, like 180. This flop hits his CC'ing range pretty hard.Turn would then be a pot size of 645, and I'd be betting like 450.River pot would then be at 1545, and villain would have 930 left, and I'd likely c/c the shove. Maybe shove myself depending on villain. You really need to get more value out of your strong hands like these, especially at a stationey level like a 2.25.

[rrumsey 0]

Meh. I bet bigger on the flop, like 180. This flop hits his CC'ing range pretty hard.Turn would then be a pot size of 645, and I'd be betting like 450.River pot would then be at 1545, and villain would have 930 left, and I'd likely c/c the shove. Maybe shove myself depending on villain. You really need to get more value out of your strong hands those, especially at a stationey level like a 2.25.

+1 at small stakes im just barreling hard with made hands

[delved 0]

But I guess you have to remember his chip stack too. 280 is 1/5 of his stack at the turn plus if I bet the river I'm betting a good price.

[SwolyswoND 1]

But I guess you have to remember his chip stack too. 280 is 1/5 of his stack at the turn plus if I bet the river I'm betting a good price.

So?

[MaxStPolish 4]

But I guess you have to remember his chip stack too. 280 is 1/5 of his stack at the turn plus if I bet the river I'm betting a good price.

So?

+1. So you bet 1/5th of his effective stack. This doesn't change the odds you are laying him. If anything it may enhance it because implied odds go up when he feels is stack to pot ratio low enough that getting the rest in is inevitable if/when he makes.Obviously effective stacks can and will have an impact on how hands are played, but this isn't one of those situations (with respect to your bet sizing on the turn).

[rrumsey 0]

+1. So you bet 1/5th of his effective stack. This doesn't change the odds you are laying him. If anything it may enhance it because implied odds go up when he feels is stack to pot ratio low enough that getting the rest in is inevitable if/when he makes.Obviously effective stacks can and will have an impact on how hands are played, but this isn't one of those situations (with respect to your bet sizing on the turn).

+2- and at this limit he may not realize until river bet his pot commitment here so yah it sets things up for us to be in total control of this hand

[Fade2241 0]

obv bet more pf, flop & turn. as played i like the idea of a c/c villian's shove etc, as Sw suggested. lots of good responses in this thread.

[donk4life 34]

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[delved 0]

Alright. I did bet out if I remember about 350 and he still called. He must not have thought I had the K because he turned over pocket jacks.

[MaxStPolish 4]

Blocker bet turned value bet. 2 dollar tournies FTW!!