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[wrto4556]

My image: I have been playing fairly timid for the past 5 minutes or so with this guy. Doing little raising preflop and too much check/folding on the flop. One of those days.Button: He is poor postflop. I extract the maximum from my hands. He bets his draws and what not...bluffs here and there, im sure, but calls too much.5/10 (heads up)Preflop: I get delt 8 ,6 in the BB.Button calls, I check.Flop: (2sb) T ,7 ,6 (2 players)I bet, Button calls.Turn: (2BB) 8 (2 players)I check, Button bets, I call.River: (4BB) 2 I check, Button bets, I call.I suck. Discuss.

[Vade]

I'd be betting the turn, even with a 4 straight out there.Just me though

[econ_tim]

Why not C/R turn or river?

[wrto4556]

what does C/ring do?If I do C/r, do I fold to a 3-bet?

[wrto4556]

Vade said:

I'd be betting the turn, even with a 4 straight out there.Just me though

What do you do if you're raised?

[econ_tim]

wrto4556 said:

what does C/ring do?If I do C/r, do I fold to a 3-bet?

You said this guy calls a lot. I guess it gets you more bets. But maybe he folds to raises. I don't know. Can't fold to 3 bet on turn since you have redraws.

[Vade]

wrto4556 said:

Vade said:

I'd be betting the turn, even with a 4 straight out there.Just me though

What do you do if you're raised?

Call it down of course.There are other things he could have besides a 9

[wrto4556]

My thinking was that if I check it to him, he will most likely bet the nine. But because the board is so scary, probably only raise with a better hand...and maybe the occasional bluff. So, he either has a better hand or a bluff when he raises. I doubt it's 50/50 so I would have to fold and that's not something I wanted to do.I figured on the turn it was a wa/wb line. Am I wrong?Would betting the turn be better?Call a raise and check/fold the river UI.Value bet the river if he just calls.

[monoatomic]

I've read a few of your heads up play and I only have one comment to make that covers most of the hands you post on the topic.I think you give your opponents way to much credit on the off chance you are way behind.Most of my heads up experience at first was very much like yours. Everytime they bet at me when I had a good hand I always thought that one possible holding they could have would have me buried and I would play passive all the time. I quickly learned though most of the time I was the one not giving my hands enough credit in a heads up match. On the hand you posted how likely is it that he has a 9 as opposed to something like A10 K10 Q10 J10, A8, K8, Q8?I think you should be pushing more when you hit hands like this.

[wrto4556]

He would raise the flop bet with tens. He may call the flop with J8 or something. Who knows.I may should be pushing, but I know that he will bluff. So, if I bet and he has nothing, he is going to fold. If I check and he has nothing, he will bet. Also, I understand the player will not have the 9 more times than not but when he does have a 9 or a hand like 54 I lose less but win the same when he doesn't. All this makes sense to me, but should I be risking the free card on a board like this when he could have a J?One more thing, do you have a link to anything where I played scared? It's something im working on.

[monoatomic]

Nothing that you played scared but I remember another one of your heads up posts about your arch rival where you had bottom or second pair on a ragged board where more often then not you are leading in a heads up match. You seemed to think you were way behind in the hand when more often then not you are going to be way ahead.I know what you mean about if he has nothing he is going to fold if you bet, but some of what you do heads up is to stop someone from getting into your head and running you over. Even if you are way behind in this hand I still would have led out on the turn and led the river. Looking at the hand again I think he probably has a J/5 or two spades and a small piece of that flop.I wouldn't say that you are playing passively in your heads up matches because I don't have any of your other hands to compare it. With the few posts you have made about it all of those hands it looks like you played them as if it were a 6 handed table instead of heads up.

[wrto4556]

You're probably right. When I come across a situation im not sure of heads up, I tend to get passive.EDIT: Although im still not sure about this hand.