delved 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Seat 1: kroxa ru (3,601)Seat 2: justintiger25 (6,775)Seat 3: mulloyboy (3,270)Seat 4: dudi calcada (3,353)Seat 5: TheShopKeep (2,543)Seat 6: delved (2,680)kroxa ru posts the small blind of 50justintiger25 posts the big blind of 100The button is in seat #6*** HOLE CARDS ***Dealt to delved [Kd Ad]mulloyboy foldsdudi calcada foldsTheShopKeep foldsdelved raises to 400 kroxa ru foldsjustintiger25 raises to 900delved calls 500*** FLOP *** [8h 6c 6s]justintiger25 bets 500delved calls 500*** TURN *** [Ks]justintiger25 bets 1,500Enough to put me all in at that point. Do I call? I do have AK.. but maybe he has a set or had a weak ace and hit the six. I'm not too sure on the odds. He seems to be a beginner and already hit quads before at the table along with some good hands. He seems to be running good and is playing hands which he has something 90% of the time. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Convert your hands please.And this is like the easiest call ever. He does not have a 6, by the way. Link to post Share on other sites
delved 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Author Share Posted October 16, 2009 I apologize. I will next time; I just set my hand history to be saved. And I was thinking call to begin with. I just wanted to see what others think because of what I said at the bottom. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 yah if we call the flop we are getting it in every time we hit on the turn at these blinds IMO. oh an i agree with swoly totally lots of bigish pocket pairs show up here to make this a decent positive EV IMO Link to post Share on other sites
Donnie Ray 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 think about why you floated the flop. you hit the card you wanted so put your chips in...or dont float the flop. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 do not open 4x plz. like...yeah, don't do that.I prolly woulda just got it in PF but I mean, as everyone else said....you hit gin when you floated...why are we not getting it in now? Link to post Share on other sites
MaxStPolish 4 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 do not open 4x plz. like...yeah, don't do that.I prolly woulda just got it in PF but I mean, as everyone else said....you hit gin when you floated...why are we not getting it in now?word for word what i was gonna write, except no "like" in the first sentence, i don't do the "like" in written speech Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 I just wanted to see what others think because of what I said at the bottom.No apology necessary. As to your question I quoted here, it's irrelevant to this hand. Just because he's playing 90% of hands doesn't mean his 3betting range is wide enough to include 6x, and just because he's gotten lucky earlier in the tourney doesn't mean we change our decision making one bit. Link to post Share on other sites
Fade2241 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 yeah, this is def a ship preflop. i would never play AK like this with that stack size, especially 6 handed. after the flop call you have about $1300 chips left after your float, wtf is the point of that? just shooooooooooove! Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 yeah, this is def a ship preflop. i would never play AK like this with that stack size, especially 6 handed. after the flop call you have about $1300 chips left after your float, wtf is the point of that? just shooooooooooove!Not to mention we still have fold equity against smaller pocket pairs if we shove pf. Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Shove over top preflop. As played, you must call. Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted October 16, 2009 Share Posted October 16, 2009 Def shove pre!! Look at your stack. You have less than a psb left for the flop, just get it in.As the others said, not sure what you'd wait for on that turn, especially considering you floated the flop. Were you hoping for 2 kings on the turn? Link to post Share on other sites
Tehtoe 3 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 He seems to be a beginner and already hit quads before at the table along with some good hands. He seems to be running good and is playing hands which he has something 90% of the time.I think you're all missing this which makes it a 100% fold. Link to post Share on other sites
donk4life 34 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 So, did he have aces? Link to post Share on other sites
delved 0 Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share Posted October 17, 2009 I did push. He had pocket sixes. Link to post Share on other sites
SwolyswoND 1 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Oh for the love of Christ. BBFIDTS. Link to post Share on other sites
delved 0 Posted October 17, 2009 Author Share Posted October 17, 2009 Ehh.. not really a bad beat, just a bad read on what a guy was doing. Figured I'd ask you all. I've been puzzled by some very odd play lately. Link to post Share on other sites
potatoman 0 Posted October 17, 2009 Share Posted October 17, 2009 Here's what you should take away from this discussion:If you're new to poker and don't feel comfortable with post-flop decisions - raising 4-5X preflop is fine. But in this case, you should have shoved to his raise preflop. Force you opponent to make tough preflop decisions and remove the likelihood of having to make difficult postflop decisions yourself.If you wish to improve your postflop play, reduce your preflop raises to 2.5 -3X. In this case you have position, so seeing a flop with a hand like AKs isn't terrible. Recognize what a bad beat is. Not only did your opponent flop quads, but you managed to hit a K on the turn. Look up the percentage change of an opponent flopping quads holding a pair. It's a situation so rare, that it really shouldn't be something you worry about.Success in poker is about making a high percentage of great decisions, while trying to force your opponents into making incorrect decisions. If you only make negative decisions when your opponents flop quads and you manage to catch on the turn, you'll have nothing to worry about. Link to post Share on other sites
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