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[econ_tim]

$1/$2 FullTiltPreflop: econ_tim1 fold, econ_tim calls, MP3 calls.Flop: (13.5 SB) [Ts 2s Th]econ_tim calls, MP3 calls.[b]Turn: (11 BB) [6d]econ_tim calls, MP3 calls.[b]River: (17 BB) [5s]econ_tim MP3 calls, Button calls.Final pot: 23 BBA couple of questions: Do I lead out on flop? Do I cap flop? Do I lead turn? I think C/R river was OK since I thought both players had hands but boat was unlikely.Edited to fix Turn betting.

[Vade]

I dunno...I think I'm folding this turn...is it 2 or 3 bets back to me here?

[econ_tim]

Vade said:

I dunno...I think I'm folding this turn...is it 2 or 3 bets back to me here?

2 bets to call. I fixed to post to reflect this.

[Vade]

I still think I'm folding this turn...in a capped preflop pot...I can understand calling two small bets on the flop...Yeah, you're getting 11/2 odds...which is mathematically fine, but it's a paired board...and this is assuming all 9 spades are out there...River raise is obvious

[wrto4556]

Folding this turn is gross.Cap the flop.

[econ_tim]

Vade said:

I still think I'm folding this turn...in a capped preflop pot...I can understand calling two small bets on the flop...Yeah, you're getting 11/2 odds...which is mathematically fine, but it's a paired board...and this is assuming all 9 spades are out there...River raise is obvious

About the turn call:I think MP3 is could have AK, AQ or AA-JJ. Pretty much the same range of hands for Button. So I'm not too worried about the pair on the board. I think they could have at most one spade a piece, but I don't think I should worry about that either. What might be more important is that high spades (K or Q) could make a boat for my opponents. Another factor is implied odds. Since betting was capped preflop, I will likely get paid off if I make my hand.Considering all of these factors, I think the call is good.

[KDawgCometh]

wrto4556 said:

Folding this turn is gross.Cap the flop.

[Vade]

Ok, I stand corrected

[econ_tim]

wrto4556 said:

Folding this turn is gross.Cap the flop.

To see if I understand the underlying concepts:I should cap the flop because I'm 2 to 1 to make my flush by the river, and the pot is so big I'll be seeing the river no matter what. When I cap the flop, I'll either get two callers, or MP3 will fold, so it is +EV.I know I should read SSHE. I've ordered it from Amazon, but the super saver shipping is taking forever.

[cdddc75]

Does anyone else consider folding preflop instead of calling two more out of position?If the table was loose/aggressive I'd probably call, but otherwise, I might just fold preflop.wrto is right about the rest of the hand. Cap that nut flush draw.

[wrto4556]

I was thinking about folding preflop. AQs I would call and KQs I would muck.im not sure about AJs, though. Folding probably isn't bad. It might be better than calling.

[cdddc75]

wrto4556 said:

I was thinking about folding preflop. AQs I would call and KQs I would muck.im not sure about AJs, though. Folding probably isn't bad. It might be better than calling.

Only two others going to the flop is a disaster for this hand. It seems that one of the two others has the jack dominated, so at this point AJs isn't much better than A2s. Unless the capper is donk enough to cap with TT, this hand's high card value is significantly lowered. We're left with a nut flush drawing hand and a hand with little connectedness. Heads up we might have a live ace and with three others the nut flush draw alone justifies a call. But against two others...it's got to be somewhat -EV to call the cap.

[dms26]

I might have folded preflop, tough to call 2 more bets with only AJ, but the rest of the hand is fine. The others in the pot most likely don't have a full house because there are no aces or broadway cards.