Bottom Set, Drawy Board Turn Play

[RISEorFall 0]

Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $1.00 BB (8 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comHero (BB) ($97.50)UTG ($103.65)UTG+1 ($90.55)MP1 ($71.40)MP2 ($19.80)CO ($48.40)Button ($18.50)SB ($21.30)Preflop: Hero is BB with 4 , 10 , 4 , 10 UTG bets $3, 2 folds, MP2 calls $3, 3 folds, Hero calls $2Flop: ($9.50) 5 , 6 , 4 (3 players)Hero checks, UTG checks, MP2 checksTurn: ($9.50) 9 (3 players)Hero bets $5, UTG raises to $20, 1 fold, Hero...no reads, this almost has to be 78 or 99, right? maybe AA and the flush draw?

[MaxStPolish 4]

I don't think it has to be 78 or 99. There's definitely a chance of that, but it could be two pair/flush draw. some sort of flush/gutshot straight draw, etc. etc. The positional battle allows this guy to make a move on a number of hands I think. 78 is nuts, but why is he raising OOP with anything 78 here pre-flop? It's obviously possible. I could easily get myself away from this hand knowing that another barrel is coming on the river by this guy like 95% of the time, and outside of the case 4, any other card, even filling me up, will have me concered on a potted river here.I'm accused of being too passive a player, but I would probably check the bottom set on the turn here. I know there's already a straight on board and now a flush draw too, but I just don't like going to battle with the bottom set here, maybe it's because I'm often too passive in the face of adversity too, but I definitely go pot control right off this flop in check/call mode (unless a 4th to the straight hits), wanting to show down, but get there as cheap as possible. The only other option would be to fire off immediately on the flop. But checking the flop and betting the turn is a line I am not comfortable with for this exact reason. The pot raise just totally forces you to a decision here, because you really can't justify calling this pot bet here and then releasing on the river. So unless you plan on betting a made boat on the river or calling on most other cards, it would probably be best to release here.

[rrumsey 0]

I could easily get myself away from this hand knowing that another barrel is coming on the river by this guy like 95% of the time, and outside of the case 4, any other card, even filling me up, will have me concered on a potted river here.I'm accused of being too passive a player, but I would probably check the bottom set on the turn here. I know there's already a straight on board and now a flush draw too, but I just don't like going to battle with the bottom set here, maybe it's because I'm often too passive in the face of adversity too, but I definitely go pot control right off this flop in check/call mode (unless a 4th to the straight hits), wanting to show down, but get there as cheap as possible. The only other option would be to fire off immediately on the flop. But checking the flop and betting the turn is a line I am not comfortable with for this exact reason. The pot raise just totally forces you to a decision here, because you really can't justify calling this pot bet here and then releasing on the river. So unless you plan on betting a made boat on the river or calling on most other cards, it would probably be best to release here.

^^^i think this is very well put! if we get a little trappy and check turn we can catch semibluffs into us by playing this pot smaller, if we keep pounding this turn i think we get shoved on by better hands only. Treat your bottom set like more of a bluff catcher on this board i think and we will see hands we beat on the end. That being said im not loving this spot and could justify a repot with intent to shove or a fold, leaning to a fold even thou we could still be ahead now a TTOONNN or rivers suck for us and we could be drawing to a board pairing against a st8. calling is totally out the option! Side note--- did you ever think of squeezing preflop? its just an idea but i kind of hate to more or less set mine multiway OOP

[trystero 0]

fold IMOcan a better player come and correct me? we're OOP and in a situation where we could be drawing dead to one out. because of our position, we're almost never going to get value from worse hands, and we're always going to get owned by better ones.

[bdc30 0]

c/f flop, c/f turn, c/f non 4 riverYou have the 11,000th nuts here.

[SwolyswoND 1]

Shouldn't we be folding this pre anyway?

[Frez 0]

I don't fold this preflop with the overcaller. We're set mining here - the tens - the fours are quad mining

[rrumsey 0]

I don't fold this preflop with the overcaller. We're set mining here - the tens - the fours are quad mining

which is why im wondering if we just dump pre or squeeze. calling gets us stuck in a potentially horrible spot, if we squeeze we may be able to isolate to just the intial raiser, or the overcaller ( hopefully not both), making our set, if we hit it, a little more valuable

[SwolyswoND 1]

Squeezing is so bad in PLO. If people call the first raise they almost never fold to the 3bet unless its going to put their entire stack in.