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[Markmadness]

Lets say your playing Party Poker 25NL. (only bring 25 bucks to the room)You hold Ace JackThe board comes AJ4 , two suited Flush draw.My pet peeve is when people bet on flush draws. so i at the moment have the best hand. Do you call the bet raise the bet to try to get him off. This is a very confusing situation for me. How do you handle these situations? I would like your opinions. I lost the hand to the big blind cause he called my 1.50 preflop raise in late position. When he bet after the flop 1 dollar i raised him 2 then he went all in. I called and lost. He got the flush onthe river was holding 59 suited.As well lets say you are the one with a flush draw. how do you handle or bet when you are one card away. doyou bet on the draw (how much), try to get a free card. do you go to the river calling to see if you get it? Calling in no limit is expensive but people do it. I find this very dangerous personally.

[pkarcher]

You played it pretty good I think. People catch draws. It happens. I would suggest that you perhaps should have raised more than what you did when he bet. From the sound of it, he probably would have went all in anyway. As far as your opponent's perspective, I wouldn't have played it the way he did. I would have checked and called a small to medium bet. He had a 35% chance to catch his hand by the river which sounds pretty good, but its still a losing play long term, especially if you are the only one calling that all in bet.

[Smasharoo]

I lost the hand to the big blind cause he called my 1.50 preflop raise in late position. When he bet after the flop 1 dollar i raised him 2 then he went all inThat's a great way to pay off a set when you call with two outs.Calling an all in with top two pair is almost allways a mistake at a full table cash game. Be more patient.

[DwayneWayne]

He put a play on you and he drew out....it happens. Bottom Line you played that hand way too passive......Your in Late position and only raise it $1.50 (1.5 times BB) too small in these games, the average preflop raise to drive ppl out (which is what you want when you hold a marginal hand like AJ) is $3 for me. $1.50 is inviting a call. He bets out $1...? OK so you raise it $2 more? For what? Bet the pot, you have a flush and a gut shot to broadway (ppl on party love big cards so its always a possibility) If you bump it up to say $5-$8 after his flop bet you should take it down, if he comes over the top again you might have to rethink because a set could easily be out there. Top two is not a hand to get all your money in with, you will lose money playing top two all in...bottom line.

[CoranMoran]

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You hold Ace JackThe board comes AJ4 , two suited Flush draw.My pet peeve is when people bet on flush draws.  

You should welcome people who bet big on draws.You currently have the best hand.And the odds say that you will still have the best hand after the river hits.By definition, this is a good situation.

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I lost the hand to the big blind cause he called my 1.50 preflop raise in late position. When he bet after the flop 1 dollar i raised him 2 then he went all in. I called and lost. He got the flush onthe river was holding 59 suited.

As long as you make it expensive for your opponent to play his draw, you are playing correctly.He got lucky and hit his flush this time.It will happen a certain percentage of time.The positive thing here is that because he was rewarded for his play, he will likely continue to play this way.And this means that you will have plenty of more chances to put your money in with him when the odds are in your favor.Recommended Game Plan:Eagerly look for players who bet big on draws; rightfully win the next few showdowns in these situations; walk away with their cash.--cnm

[mk]

If you posted looking for specific numbers:If a player flops a 4-flush, they have about a 36% shot to make their flush (they have 9 outs, unless you hold a card of that suit, which would lower their % to about 32%).Knowing this, and thinking you have the best hand (I'm assuming you're heads-up), you need to bet enough to make it mathematically incorrect for them to draw out on you. What this means is that you need to bet more than half the pot. Example:Say the pot has $5 pre-flop in the example you gave. If you bet $2.50 on the flop, the player on the flush draw has to put $2.50 into the pot to win $7.50, which means he's getting exactly 3:1 odds. Since he's a bit better than a 3:1 shot to make the best hand, a call here is correct for him. I hope that makes sense.In this situation, i usually like to bet the size of the pot. If you're raised, you can almost definitely rule out a flush draw, and then you have to worry you're beat, maybe by a set... Also be aware that most good players know these odds, and if they flop top pair/strong kicker when there is a flush draw on the board, they'll bet it strongly. An agressive bet after the flop is a good indicator someone has top pair.

[RtherBNvegas]

[quote="DwayneWayne"]Your in Late position and only raise it $1.50 (1.5 times BB) too small in these gamesquote]If he is playing the PP $25NL the blinds are .25-.50 so its really 3x the BB.Well there is about roughly $3 in the pot. His $1 raise is really nothin, I would go over the top for something like $3-4 total. Re-raising the minimum is pretty pointless if you wanna try to get a guy off his hand or make him pay a good amount for his draw. I mean after that re-raise if he would still go all-in over the top of you I think that is pretty stupid on his behalf. I mean if anything maybe just call your raise and see if he catches his card on the turn then decide if he wants to put all his money in there. Like you said at that point you do feel you have the best hand but do you really wanna risk losing the hand just for a few more dollars on the slow play?I mean if you were to put the a few dollar re-raise, unless the guy is an idiot which he may be I cant see him still goin all in over you. I do play the PP $25NL a lot while im at work and most of those guys in there will call with any draw as long as its cheap and you gave him that even if he didnt go over the top. Id play it either to end it right there on the flop or make him pay a good amount to catch his card if it was me. But thats just me maybe some would disagree whats ur name on PP?