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[droberts]

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 301298
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SB: $10.12
Hero (BB): $10.63
UTG: $6.10
UTG+1: $9.56
MP1: $4.26
MP2: $9.53
CO: $5.40
BTN: $7.46

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 5 folds

hero??

do i just 3 bet here or would u just go ahead and shove?

[SCS]

I would make it $3 to $3.50.

[droberts]

I would make it $3 to $3.50.

and then on an A high board OOP what do u do?

[qnshustler]

and then on an A high board OOP what do u do?

I think the appropriate term people use around here is fistpumpcheckraiseallin?

lol, my reasoning being that, more often than not at these limits, a very oddly large preflop raise means like TT/JJ type hands that the villain is afraid to have to play when he sees a flop with any overcards. Depending very much on my read of villain, my image, and even just my mood, I think my preflop play can vary widely here between flat/raise/shove, flatting only occasionally of course but still something I keep in my repertoire.

[droberts]

I think the appropriate term people use around here is fistpumpcheckraiseallin?

lol, my reasoning being that, more often than not at these limits, a very oddly large preflop raise means like TT/JJ type hands that the villain is afraid to have to play when he sees a flop with any overcards. Depending very much on my read of villain, my image, and even just my mood, I think my preflop play can vary widely here between flat/raise/shove, flatting only occasionally of course but still something I keep in my repertoire.

thats why i am asking if we just shove preflop, cuz say we 3 bet and he calls then overs hit to his pair and we c-bet and he is like well now i bet he has one of those and folds.

whereas if we push preflop villain may think this could be AK or a lesser pair and call. i dont really see villain opening 20BBs and then folding to a push.

[Temporary Nuts]

$3

a high flop turn on c-c mode.

You don't always have to c-bet. I think there was a thread a while back T-skillz had about not c-betting 3 bet pots where an A comes on the flop with your entire range. It was great advice imo.

[SwolyswoND]

Yeah, tskillz wrote about that in one of my live game threads. Absolutely great advice that has become my default play.

[qnshustler]

Don't recall the thread you guys are talking about, maybe it was before my time here, if anyone can produce a link to it I'd very much like to give it a read.

And droberts, yeah you're fine on that reasoning, shoving prf is ok, IMO. I think a $3ish standard raise is probably my default. Then if he flats that we're trying to get it in on about any flop, no?

[Temporary Nuts]

Don't recall the thread you guys are talking about, maybe it was before my time here, if anyone can produce a link to it I'd very much like to give it a read.

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...=137218&hl=

This thread has everything... good advice and BigDMcgee being a total douche

[qnshustler]

http://www.fullcontactpoker.com/poker-foru...=137218&hl=

This thread has everything... good advice and BigDMcgee being a total douche

haha gracias, I do recognize this one now actually but its always beneficial to re-read great advice.

[rrumsey]

Great advice. Overshoving is just a bad play in my opinion and i think if i remember correctly Harrington proved huge overshoves with anyhand is just a horrible -EV play we want some action. C/c or c.r is best line if we see an ace. Don't be so scared to play postflop, you will lose some hands it happens don't be afraid of it thou, just don't stack off deep on an A high board.
and PS wow BigDMcgee is a total douche must have caught him in the wrong part of the month on his man period or something! and thanks for finding that post temp nuts!

[KingJames]

re-read that thread and yeah, good stuff

[droberts]

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 302241
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SB: $10.12
Hero (BB): $10.63
UTG: $6.10
UTG+1: $9.56
MP1: $4.26
MP2: $9.53
CO: $5.40
BTN: $7.46

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 5 folds, Hero raises to $9.95, UTG+1 calls $8.56 all in

Flop: ($19.14) A 5 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($19.14) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($19.14) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $19.14
Hero shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
UTG+1 shows 4 4 (a pair of Fours)
Hero wins $18.19
(Rake: $0.95)



if i just 3 bet preflop he calls and then maybe folds flop is i c-bet or he raises and i may fold.. just thought it interesting as what to do PF.

[rrumsey]

Poker Stars $0.02/$0.05 No Limit Hold'em - 8 players - View hand 302241
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

SB: $10.12
Hero (BB): $10.63
UTG: $6.10
UTG+1: $9.56
MP1: $4.26
MP2: $9.53
CO: $5.40
BTN: $7.46

Pre Flop: ($0.07) Hero is BB with K K
1 fold, UTG+1 raises to $1, 5 folds, Hero raises to $9.95, UTG+1 calls $8.56 all in

Flop: ($19.14) A 5 6 (2 players - 1 is all in)

Turn: ($19.14) 2 (2 players - 1 is all in)

River: ($19.14) K (2 players - 1 is all in)

Final Pot: $19.14
Hero shows K K (three of a kind, Kings)
UTG+1 shows 4 4 (a pair of Fours)
Hero wins $18.19
(Rake: $0.95)



if i just 3 bet preflop he calls and then maybe folds flop is i c-bet or he raises and i may fold.. just thought it interesting as what to do PF.

He is a total donk if he is preflop calling shove with a small pocket pair don't count on this happening that much

[droberts]

He is a total donk if he is preflop calling shove with a small pocket pair don't count on this happening that much

im not was just wondering what to normally do here... and i had watched him for a while so i figured he would call.