14 replies to this topic

[Shark527]

PokerStars Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.25 BB (5 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com

Hero (SB) ($23.30)
BB ($12.50)
UTG ($9.40)
MP ($15.50)
Button ($29.80)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A , 5 , 5 , A
UTG bets $0.50, 2 folds, Hero raises to $1.75, 1 fold, UTG calls $1.25

Flop: ($3.75) Q , 7 , 9 (2 players)
Hero bets $3.60, UTG calls $3.60

Does anyone do anything besides pot this flop? I can't really see a C/C, and C/F seems nitty.



Turn: ($10.95) 8 (2 players)
Hero checks,

I'd like to think it's call based on pot odds but I'm thinking thats more of a AA hold'em way of thinking. C/F?

[David_Nicoson]

I don't feel the need to 3-bet this preflop, personally. You're almost always going to be putting yourself into one of these reverse implied odds situations. Whatever equity edge we have preflop is dwarfed by the positional disadvantage, imho.

[meservery]

I like the pre-flop re-raise with the double suited aces.

Check fold flop. Your cards are blue and green while the flop is red and black.

[rrumsey]

at first i wanted to say pot flop but 3-way we are just praying for everyone to fold we are scared of a lot of turns, checking and seeing what happens is a safer line to play we need to dodge a lot to hold up here so keep it small. The only thing potting flop does is charge draws and this board the draws aren't folding to just a pot bet most of the time.

[SwolyswoND]

C/F flop is way too nitty. Gotta stab at it here and reeval on turn.

As played to the turn, I'm not sure I could've imagined a worse turn card. Being OOP, this is an instant c/f. Pot odds be damned, you're like never ahead here and you have no draws.

[MaxStPolish]

I never hate AAxx double suited double pocket pair double wheeler.

And you shouldn't either. Your line looks fine to me. The only detractor is that on your turn check, you really reek of AAxx to the villain, and any compentent villain is taking this pot from you right here, regardless of holding. Many times, I play the villain's end of this hand with xxxx and call the draw happy board planning to take it away on most scare cards in actuality. I play nitty sometimes too. It wouldn't be totally out of my world to check the flop and revaluate based on villain's play. Wouldn't check fold often, wouldn't necessarily check all that often....but it's definitely an option.

[SwolyswoND]

The only detractor is that on your turn check, you really reek of AAxx to the villain, and any compentent villain is taking this pot from you right here, regardless of holding. Many times, I play the villain's end of this hand with xxxx and call the draw happy board planning to take it away on most scare cards in actuality. I play nitty sometimes too. It wouldn't be totally out of my world to check the flop and revaluate based on villain's play. Wouldn't check fold often, wouldn't necessarily check all that often....but it's definitely an option.

The above is the reason that we should not be 3betting this hand oop. We can't fire enough barrels on boards like this, and any competent villain can float this kind of flop and then take it away. Especially if he happens to hold even just the naked As - then he knows your AA doesn't have the FD to back it up.

I would better like a PF call, then if we have notes/reads that villain can find folds, I would be c/r most flops. Probably not this one as it hits an opener's range pretty hard though, and the mandatory 2nd barrel would be expensive and probably not +EV. If villain is stationy, I'm still c/r rag flops or a paired low flop like 44K.

[dingas]

Just check fold the flop. You should be looking to checkraise a lot of your strong hands in this spot anyway, so maybe opp will check behind if he has nothing. Anyway, this is a really terrible flop for your hand - it hits so many of the hands that UTG would open with and you'll never know where you stand on later streets unless you spike your Ace. The preflop reraise is fine, just as long as you don't do this only with aces - if you're going to show up with hands like 89TJ or 789Ads sometimes, then the raise is fine.

[MaxStPolish]

Just check fold the flop. You should be looking to checkraise a lot of your strong hands in this spot anyway, so maybe opp will check behind if he has nothing. Anyway, this is a really terrible flop for your hand - it hits so many of the hands that UTG would open with and you'll never know where you stand on later streets unless you spike your Ace. The preflop reraise is fine, just as long as you don't do this only with aces - if you're going to show up with hands like 89TJ or 789Ads sometimes, then the raise is fine.

if you are check/folding this flop majorily, then you need to make sure that not only are you raising 789J hands occasionally OOP as well...but that you are then checking over when you make a bunch of random middling connections, lest your play start looking like total ABC poker (generalized statement, but relevant).

[rrumsey]

I think check call turn if it isn't huge and see what happens on river athought i could never blame dumping it on turn but this just looks like too weird of a line from villain to be true he would have to do this with garbage and have everything go perfect for him to have us crushed here. I know it looks scary but im wondering what this dude has to min bet and play this line he may suck so that has to factor into the equation doesn't it, granted his range if he sucks is so big he may very well have gin on the turn.

[dingas]

if you are check/folding this flop majorily, then you need to make sure that not only are you raising 789J hands occasionally OOP as well...but that you are then checking over when you make a bunch of random middling connections, lest your play start looking like total ABC poker (generalized statement, but relevant).

Yes I agree with this. If my hand was QQJT or AAxx with spades in this example, I would probably be looking to check raise.

[SwolyswoND]

I think check call turn if it isn't huge and see what happens on river athought i could never blame dumping it on turn but this just looks like too weird of a line from villain to be true he would have to do this with garbage and have everything go perfect for him to have us crushed here. I know it looks scary but im wondering what this dude has to min bet and play this line he may suck so that has to factor into the equation doesn't it, granted his range if he sucks is so big he may very well have gin on the turn.

Rumsey, do you play PLO much?

I don't mean to be condescending, but I don't think you grasp this game too well. There are literally tons of hands a villain could have that would legitimately hit this board. AA is not a good hand in Omaha if it doesn't set. Villain doesn't even necessarily have to have spades here to be ahead. JT got there. All kinds of mid two pairs either hit flop or got there on turn. We are literally never ahead now, and we have no draws to improve our hand.

This is like the most instant check/fold ever in PLO.

[Shark527]

I never hate AAxx double suited double pocket pair double wheeler.

And you shouldn't either. Your line looks fine to me. The only detractor is that on your turn check, you really reek of AAxx to the villain, and any compentent villain is taking this pot from you right here, regardless of holding. Many times, I play the villain's end of this hand with xxxx and call the draw happy board planning to take it away on most scare cards in actuality. I play nitty sometimes too. It wouldn't be totally out of my world to check the flop and revaluate based on villain's play. Wouldn't check fold often, wouldn't necessarily check all that often....but it's definitely an option.

I don't, it's just a great hand with horrible position. I would not have posted the hand if I was button. AAxx are normally trouble hands anyway, but playing from the blinds is something I know I need work on.

When do players normally reraise from the blinds preflop? If his raise was from an earlier position, maybe indicating a stronger hand, would a preflop raise be better?... since the percentage of villians 4betting might go up?
I agree with flatting the raise from a late position player since they are just flatting a huge percentage of the time.




TURN ACTION:
Hero checks, Villain checks


RIVER: pairs the board 9
Hero checks, Villian bets $2.50


Based on his check on the turn, when that card pretty much hit any draw he could have from the flop, and then betting a board pair,
Is this an insta call?.....

Based on pot odds and now the possibility that villian could also have KK/AA? (since he checked turn also?)

[dingas]

No I think you should fold even for $2.50 on the river. This is much more likely to be a strong hand looking for a crying call. The only way I can see you being good is if villain somehow has a 2-pair that got counterfeited on the river (and then for some reason he decided to bluff for only 25% of the pot). Maybe this is an advanced strategic move on villain's part, but I don't think it's too likely.

[redhollywood]

yeah and even then $2.50 on the river could be a cautious bet with a low flush so then he is probably planning on calling if you raise anyways. Fold is the play.