Nashtak 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I tried to keep a somewhat optimistic view on the matter when i first heard people complaining about PokerStars being rigged, trying to find explanations or simply ignoring it for the lack of evidences. Played many SnG since then and seen many miracle rivers, flops, runner-runners, etc. Like seriously. Why am i confident, when playing live, that my AK is likely gonna win against KQ but then s*** my pants when i see that same match-up on the bubble of a SnG online.If the ''PokerStars is rigged'' bandwagon seems to be going strong everywhere, how come i never ended up on a thread about it on this forum. This is what actually bugs me. Do you guys believe PokerStars is really rigged or novice players are just starting to see what the word ''variance'' is all about (and somehow PokerStars, the biggest site, seems to be the one taking the blame)? Link to post Share on other sites
mrpaddyx 13 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I tried to keep a somewhat optimistic view on the matter when i first heard people complaining about PokerStars being rigged, trying to find explanations or simply ignoring it for the lack of evidences. Played many SnG since then and seen many miracle rivers, flops, runner-runners, etc. Like seriously. Why am i confident, when playing live, that my AK is likely gonna win against KQ but then s*** my pants when i see that same match-up on the bubble of a SnG online.If the ''PokerStars is rigged'' bandwagon seems to be going strong everywhere, how come i never ended up on a thread about it on this forum. This is what actually bugs me. Do you guys believe PokerStars is really rigged or novice players are just starting to see what the word ''variance'' is all about (and somehow PokerStars, the biggest site, seems to be the one taking the blame)?(Its been done already today but what the hell!)How Is Posible To Accept All In Withouth To See The Floop ? Link to post Share on other sites
king_tanner 84 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Yes you should fold AA it never wins.Wait which thread am I in? Link to post Share on other sites
outsider13 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Definitely rigged. I'd quit online poker all together because I think they are all rigged. Link to post Share on other sites
TwstdWrstr 10 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Definitely rigged. I'd quit online poker all together because I think they are all rigged.Especially facebook poker.TRUST ME. Link to post Share on other sites
slink 1 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I tried to keep a somewhat optimistic view on the matter when i first heard people complaining about PokerStars being rigged, trying to find explanations or simply ignoring it for the lack of evidences. Played many SnG since then and seen many miracle rivers, flops, runner-runners, etc. Like seriously. Why am i confident, when playing live, that my AK is likely gonna win against KQ but then s*** my pants when i see that same match-up on the bubble of a SnG online.If the ''PokerStars is rigged'' bandwagon seems to be going strong everywhere, how come i never ended up on a thread about it on this forum. This is what actually bugs me. Do you guys believe PokerStars is really rigged or novice players are just starting to see what the word ''variance'' is all about (and somehow PokerStars, the biggest site, seems to be the one taking the blame)?Yeah, just be glad you don't play on Doyle's Room. 'Cause you can't get your money off there. Link to post Share on other sites
TwstdWrstr 10 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Yeah, just be glad you don't play on Doyle's Room. 'Cause you can't get your money off there.Party Poker is so rigged I can't get any money ON there! Link to post Share on other sites
Pot Odds RAC 23 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Live Poker is Rigged. Link to post Share on other sites
051103 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Semi-Live online poker is riggged Link to post Share on other sites
coug2828 8 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 i lost to a 3 outer live recently, that cardroom must be rigged Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Party Poker is so rigged I can't get any money ON there!pretty sure you're saving money on that dealSemi-Live online poker is rigggedi lol'd Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I tried to keep a somewhat optimistic view on the matter when i first heard people complaining about PokerStars being rigged, trying to find explanations or simply ignoring it for the lack of evidences. Played many SnG since then and seen many miracle rivers, flops, runner-runners, etc. Like seriously. Why am i confident, when playing live, that my AK is likely gonna win against KQ but then s*** my pants when i see that same match-up on the bubble of a SnG online.If the ''PokerStars is rigged'' bandwagon seems to be going strong everywhere, how come i never ended up on a thread about it on this forum. This is what actually bugs me. Do you guys believe PokerStars is really rigged or novice players are just starting to see what the word ''variance'' is all about (and somehow PokerStars, the biggest site, seems to be the one taking the blame)?The sad thing is that I know you are serious... Link to post Share on other sites
gatortom64 1 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 It is all about the numbers. Unfortunately Stars deals so may hands per second, it always happens to you. Sorry.Sincerely,Lee Jones Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Broccoli. Or, Daniel Ne-green-u. Link to post Share on other sites
rcgs59 15 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Especially facebook poker.TRUST ME.QFTSemi-Live online poker is rigggedlove that picmust be added to Q's collection Broccoli. Or, Daniel Ne-green-u. Link to post Share on other sites
fjl2nd 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I'll tell you what's rigged....Sportsbook.com's Blackjack game. I hate losing at blackjack more than poker. Link to post Share on other sites
Nashtak 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Author Share Posted September 23, 2009 Fine, i'll take for a ''no''. Even though it just makes it more confusing that we have the ''L0l 0bivouly nawt, u stoopid?'' on what side of the fence, the ''Durr, @fter palying liek 40k tourney, im 10000% itz riggedzor'' on the other and no sight of a middle ground. You'd believe that after things like this http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/dev...er_gambling.php or that http://www.makli.com/ultimate-bet-scandal-006456/ it'd be fair to have a shadow of maybe considering that maybe it could be somewhat odd to find so many people, not point online poker for being rigged, but point ONE site in particular which would happen to be the one site you play which also happens that you have seem the sickest scenario (this being standard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunAlp2azhA) over and over again in a short laps of time, which is totally possible but mathematically unlikely. Then maybe, i say MAYBE, you would possibly consider that it could be a possibility that, maybe, there could be something, from a newbie's perspective, somewhat fishy about a site that would benefit from having larger amount of money going back and forth have so many more, or so it seems (maybe), beats and coolers than your mind could possibly conceive which also results in many more chips going back and forth, in larger amounts.That's taking into account that people are generally sore loser and would blame the site for their loss, that they would generally remember their bad beats over what SHOULD be standard hands and all those kind of explanation you might, maybe, believe i didn't consider. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's rigged but i wouldn't be ready to say it is not slightly tweaked.I rest my case Link to post Share on other sites
lurbz 2 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Fine, i'll take for a ''no''. Even though it just makes it more confusing that we have the ''L0l 0bivouly nawt, u stoopid?'' on what side of the fence, the ''Durr, @fter palying liek 40k tourney, im 10000% itz riggedzor'' on the other and no sight of a middle ground. You'd believe that after things like this http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/dev...er_gambling.php or that http://www.makli.com/ultimate-bet-scandal-006456/ it'd be fair to have a shadow of maybe considering that maybe it could be somewhat odd to find so many people, not point online poker for being rigged, but point ONE site in particular which would happen to be the one site you play which also happens that you have seem the sickest scenario (this being standard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunAlp2azhA) over and over again in a short laps of time, which is totally possible but mathematically unlikely. Then maybe, i say MAYBE, you would possibly consider that it could be a possibility that, maybe, there could be something, from a newbie's perspective, somewhat fishy about a site that would benefit from having larger amount of money going back and forth have so many more, or so it seems (maybe), beats and coolers than your mind could possibly conceive which also results in many more chips going back and forth, in larger amounts.That's taking into account that people are generally sore loser and would blame the site for their loss, that they would generally remember their bad beats over what SHOULD be standard hands and all those kind of explanation you might, maybe, believe i didn't consider. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's rigged but i wouldn't be ready to say it is not slightly tweaked.I rest my caseTo quote a conversation I had with Stars support crew, after asking for all my results when dealt AA or KK in order to settle a dispute with someone..."The reason it seems like there are more beats in online poker rather than live is because there are. People are more prone to make calls with weaker hands or on draws because they are in the privacy of their own home and do not have to be at a live game dealing with either being berated or frowned upon by the rest of the table for doing so. They're not worried about saving their money in order to make their casino trip last longer." Link to post Share on other sites
vbnautilus 48 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Fine, i'll take for a ''no''. Even though it just makes it more confusing that we have the ''L0l 0bivouly nawt, u stoopid?'' on what side of the fence, the ''Durr, @fter palying liek 40k tourney, im 10000% itz riggedzor'' on the other and no sight of a middle ground. You'd believe that after things like this http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/dev...er_gambling.php or that http://www.makli.com/ultimate-bet-scandal-006456/ it'd be fair to have a shadow of maybe considering that maybe it could be somewhat odd to find so many people, not point online poker for being rigged, but point ONE site in particular which would happen to be the one site you play which also happens that you have seem the sickest scenario (this being standard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunAlp2azhA) over and over again in a short laps of time, which is totally possible but mathematically unlikely. Then maybe, i say MAYBE, you would possibly consider that it could be a possibility that, maybe, there could be something, from a newbie's perspective, somewhat fishy about a site that would benefit from having larger amount of money going back and forth have so many more, or so it seems (maybe), beats and coolers than your mind could possibly conceive which also results in many more chips going back and forth, in larger amounts.That's taking into account that people are generally sore loser and would blame the site for their loss, that they would generally remember their bad beats over what SHOULD be standard hands and all those kind of explanation you might, maybe, believe i didn't consider. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's rigged but i wouldn't be ready to say it is not slightly tweaked.I rest my caseYou have no evidence other than your "perception", which is known to be subject to several relevant cognitive distortions.I don't even think you are presenting a coherent account of what it means for PokerStars to be "rigged". Link to post Share on other sites
FARGOpokerND 22 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Fine, i'll take for a ''no''. Even though it just makes it more confusing that we have the ''L0l 0bivouly nawt, u stoopid?'' on what side of the fence, the ''Durr, @fter palying liek 40k tourney, im 10000% itz riggedzor'' on the other and no sight of a middle ground. You'd believe that after things like this http://www.cigital.com/papers/download/dev...er_gambling.php or that http://www.makli.com/ultimate-bet-scandal-006456/ it'd be fair to have a shadow of maybe considering that maybe it could be somewhat odd to find so many people, not point online poker for being rigged, but point ONE site in particular which would happen to be the one site you play which also happens that you have seem the sickest scenario (this being standard http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XunAlp2azhA) over and over again in a short laps of time, which is totally possible but mathematically unlikely. Then maybe, i say MAYBE, you would possibly consider that it could be a possibility that, maybe, there could be something, from a newbie's perspective, somewhat fishy about a site that would benefit from having larger amount of money going back and forth have so many more, or so it seems (maybe), beats and coolers than your mind could possibly conceive which also results in many more chips going back and forth, in larger amounts.That's taking into account that people are generally sore loser and would blame the site for their loss, that they would generally remember their bad beats over what SHOULD be standard hands and all those kind of explanation you might, maybe, believe i didn't consider. Don't get me wrong, i'm not saying it's rigged but i wouldn't be ready to say it is not slightly tweaked.I rest my caseUnless you can give hard data proving your case, what you are saying is just mainly nonsense (the bolded in particular)From a totally different angle that you haven't mentioned yet, the poker sites have NOTHING to gain by "tweaking" the system to generate more action thus more rake. They know that with all the intelligent poker players out there, someone WILL discover if poker is "rigged" or "tweaked" and whistle-blow. Once that whistle is blown, the site loses all credibility, people become scared to play, site gets fines, site loses business, site makes no more money. They know the gains of offering a legitimate site VASTLY outweigh the risk of skewing the RNG.Do you not think if the sites were really skewed, someone out there would have figured it out? Someone with the knowledge of numbers and with a large database of hands available who can crunch the numbers and MATHEMATICALLY PROVE that the site is rigged. Why hasn't that person come forward yet with their data? Conspiracy theorists like yourself ARE out there, but all you have are theories. I am quite positive that many great minds in the past HAVE crunched these numbers and found nothing statistically abnormal, or we would have heard about it by now.(For the record I am solely talking about the big 2, aka FTP and PS....) Link to post Share on other sites
JustLikeNegs 1 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 this is still getting serious replies? im surprised Link to post Share on other sites
finztotheleft 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 I vote for broccoli.Gosh, I haven't seen one of these threads in at least a year. Therefore, there is clearly LESS rigging going on. Who sold the cute oil rig tshirts ? Link to post Share on other sites
s_pkrstr_s 0 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 The way I look at it is there's way too much at stake for sites such as pokerstars too rig it. Why bother rigging the game when theyre already making hundreds of millions of dollars? If it ever was exposed their site would be done. Not worth it too them for a bit of extra rake. Link to post Share on other sites
TrueAce13 18 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Stars is rigged...prolly should play AP Link to post Share on other sites
Mercury69 3 Posted September 23, 2009 Share Posted September 23, 2009 Can't say it's rigged without laughing, but I sure seem to get beat by the following more than seems likely, odds considered:When I hold a bigger A than someone, they usually flop their kicker (seems like 60+% of the time)When I hold a bigger PP than someone, it seems like someone holding a smaller pair hits a set about 50% of the timeIn similar dominating circumstances, it seems like people are hitting straights and flushes or making bottom two pair against my overpair or hitting a set against my two pairIt also feels like my opponents are never, ever drawing dead and that the river card that makes my hand makes theirs better...But it's all in my head, I'm sure. I'm just trying to make sure I control my tilty impulses and continue to play solid poker. Accepting your losses is fundamental, regardless of how stupid a beat you just got hit with.And, yes, there will always be morons making stupid calls that suck out on you. Always. Link to post Share on other sites
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