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[kreppsen]

During my days on PokerStars I've seen a lot of people drawing dead on the flop, but then turning the board by hitting runner-runner for either a straight or a flush. What's the mathematics and calculations behind it? How many relevant factors do I have to consider before making up my mind?
Could anyone write down the calculation/formula?

Thank you.

[Sick Boy]

Lol.

Hey man,

Welcome to the forum, glad to have you on board.

Just a couple of things, please take the time to read over other people's threads before making your own. This is so that you can get an idea of the type of things people like to talk about around here and the kinds of things people expect from a poster who is starting a thread. Try not to make any threads until you have like 100 posts or so and people get to know you a bit.

Also, please try to put more thought into your threads. If you don’t, people will give you a hard time around here. Questions you should ask yourself before making a thread include, "What kind of discussion will be created by my thread?" and "Will people find what I am saying interesting"? You know what I mean? Think about it...Don’t just make a thread about some random stuff that popped into your head like, "What are the odds that somebody will get lucky and beat me?”

And please...get your terminology right; "drawing dead" means that there is no way your opponent can win the pot.

Having said that, good luck in your future posting and good luck at the tables.

[kreppsen]

Lol.

I don't have a plan to bet with a runner-runner draw, I'm just curious about the math behind and when the day comes that I'm pot commited, I'd like to know what the odds and math behind this is.

[qnshustler]

I don't have a plan to bet with a runner-runner draw, I'm just curious about the math behind and when the day comes that I'm pot commited, I'd like to know what the odds and math behind this is.

Quit poker.


Sorry I have a really bad case of the mondays today. But seriously, quit.

[kkot]

I don't have a plan to bet with a runner-runner draw, I'm just curious about the math behind and when the day comes that I'm pot commited, I'd like to know what the odds and math behind this is.

A backdoor flush draw is about 5% on the flop. A straight draw will be a little bit worse than that

[kreppsen]

Quit poker.


Sorry I have a really bad case of the mondays today. But seriously, quit.

Hmm... Thanks, that made my day sweetie.
Why are people so tense? I'm just curious about the math behind a backdoor or a hole straight, I have no itensions of betting it, no intensions to ever play it so take it easy.

Thanks kkot and Sick Boy. I'll take my time to read through all of the guidelines and rules before posting again.

[rrumsey]

download poker stove it answers all math questions as long as you can come up with an accurate range which is situationally dependant so if you need a line check to come up with a range that is the kind of questions we like

[Frez]

Pokerstove is a good idea, then you can look at specific situations - which you have not given here. Specific = good. There are a lot of situations where someone could be way behind on the flop, and need runner-runner to win.

Some simple math for you though:

Back door flush draw (player has a 3 flush on the flop, needs turn and river)
10/47 X 9/46 = 4.16%

Runner-runner quads or runner-runner staight flush:
2/45 X 1/44 = 0.1%

[RISEorFall]

so if you need a line check to come up with a range that is the kind of questions we like

1. why is this the only question we can answer? theres lots of poker questions, not all are in depth stove discussions.

2. i dont think kkot is a sweetie. its a nice picture, but i dont think thats him.

3. i've seen runner runner quads. thats sick

4. lets take it easy on the guy. he doesnt need to post 100 times in random threads before he makes his own. the internet isnt about getting to know people (well, i mean not most of the time. but this isnt eharmony). so its a random question. isnt that what general strat is for?

[qnshustler]

Ehh like I said I was having an awfully bad case of monday morning this morning...sorry again OP.

[kreppsen]

Back door flush draw (player has a 3 flush on the flop, needs turn and river)
10/47 X 9/46 = 4.16%

Runner-runner quads or runner-runner staight flush:
2/45 X 1/44 = 0.1%

Something like that I was looking for, thank you. A specific example: Played live this weekend and at the final table I saw this hand

Poker Game: Texas Holdem
Player1: Ac Td
Player2: Ad Qh
On the Board: Tc 7s 2d

Donk is very short stacked and Hero push him all-in
Calls after 30 seconds in the thinking box

Turn: Js
River: Kc

Donk wins, my friend tilts. I know it's just bad luck but I find the math behind very interesting.