Great Article On Us Health Care System In Atlantic Monthly

[FCP Bob 1,323]

This article was recommended by somebody on TV and I think it really explains the problems of the current system and offers some interesting solutions.Don't let the title fool you into thinking it's from some ideologue but rather he's a business person who decided to spend a year looking into things after his Father passed away.http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care

Policy September 2009 Atlantic After the needless death of his father, the author, a business executive, began a personal exploration of a health-care industry that for years has delivered poor service and irregular quality at astonishingly high cost. It is a system, he argues, that is not worth preserving in anything like its current form. And the health-care reform now being contemplated will not fix it. Here’s a radical solution to an agonizing problem.by David Goldhill How American Health Care Killed My FatherLong article continued at Link

[CaneBrain 97]

This article was recommended by somebody on TV and I think it really explains the problems of the current system and offers some interesting solutions.Don't let the title fool you into thinking it's from some ideologue but rather he's a business person who decided to spend a year looking into things after his Father passed away.http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care

I read this. Very good. The point about how our entire concept of "health insurance" is skewed is spot on.

[hblask 1]

This is such an excellent article I'm going to print it out and put it under my pillow tonight so I can fondle it.Seriously, everyone in Congress should be required to read it before they even begin to discuss health care reform.Yeah, he's a bit long-winded, but it's worth it.

[strategy 4]

I like this article. I sent it to a few family members. Thanks, bob.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

I don't come into this part of the forum too often (generally dislike politics), but I'm glad that I wondered in here today. Very well written, and gives plenty to think about. Thanks for posting it.

[nutzbuster 7]

This article was recommended by somebody on TV and I think it really explains the problems of the current system and offers some interesting solutions.Don't let the title fool you into thinking it's from some ideologue but rather he's a business person who decided to spend a year looking into things after his Father passed away.http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200909/health-care

Sobering, thought provoking and definitely eye opening. Incredible.Agree that this should be a required read to all congressmen and senators. Like, NOW.thanks Bob.

[Balloon guy 158]

Big deal...the guy hates America and blames Bush for everything. I think he's also a terrible writer.Admittablity I didn't actually read this article because I don't want to be smarter and I also think 20 minutes is too long for any idea to be expressed. If it takes more than 3 minutes to express your idea, then your ideas sucks.

[colonel Feathers 5]

A NON PROFIT hospital in NYC. Need read no further. Wonder if acorn has ties?

[FCP Bob 1,323]

A NON PROFIT hospital in NYC. Need read no further. Wonder if acorn has ties?

Seriously, if you don't read the article then any comment you will ever make about health care will be an uninformed one and lacking.Read what I said about the title, it had nothing to do with the meat of the article.Look at the ideological range of people commenting on this article and saying that it's great and has opened their eyes.BG was joking in his comment but if you're serious about your's then it truly is sad that you think the way that you do and that you are so lacking in intellectual curisoity that you can't finish something like this.

[akoff 0]

"Insurance is probably the most complex, costly, and distortional method of financing any activity"I have read two pages so far, will contuine. The above quote leads me to believe he doesn't follow what the boys in Washington do on a daily basis.He also hasn't been real involved with our legal system either...go through a civil trial of some kind and see.

[akoff 0]

"In 2007, employer-based health insurance cost, on average, more than $12,000 per family, up 78 percent since 2001. I’ve run several companies and company divisions of various sizes over the course of my career, so I can confidently tell you that raises (and even entry-level hiring) are tightly limited by rising health-care costs. You may think your employer is paying for your health care, but in fact your company’s share of the insurance premium comes out of your potential wage increase. Where else could it come from?"good point. here is the funny part. Empolyees don't consider the insurance part of a compensation plan. it like they think it is free.

[akoff 0]

"Many reformers believe if we could only adopt a single-payer system, we could deliver health care more cheaply than we do today. The experience of other developed countries suggests that’s true: the government as single payer would have lower administrative costs than private insurers, as well as enormous market clout and the ability to bring down prices, although at the cost of explicitly rationing care."You have no shot of this happening. our government can't do anything well in running a program of this type and in the event they stumble on a system that works they will steal from it untill it doesn't.You will end up with rationed care, with higher prices, while wondering where all of your tax $$ are going.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Seriously, if you don't read the article then any comment you will ever make about health care will be an uninformed one and lacking.Read what I said about the title, it had nothing to do with the meat of the article.Look at the ideological range of people commenting on this article and saying that it's great and has opened their eyes.BG was joking in his comment but if you're serious about your's then it truly is sad that you think the way that you do and that you are so lacking in intellectual curisoity that you can't finish something like this.

Wait. If he doesn't read this one good article then any comment he ever makes about health care is therefore uninformed and lacking? What is it lately that just because someone finds something interesting and well written then anyone who dares to feel otherwise is somehow not as intellectual or is lacking curiosity?

[akoff 0]

Seriously, if you don't read the article then any comment you will ever make about health care will be an uninformed one and lacking.Read what I said about the title, it had nothing to do with the meat of the article.Look at the ideological range of people commenting on this article and saying that it's great and has opened their eyes.BG was joking in his comment but if you're serious about your's then it truly is sad that you think the way that you do and that you are so lacking in intellectual curisoity that you can't finish something like this.

All in all he had some real interesting points. Quite possibly the best thing I have read written by a Democrat...LOLI will separate from him because he honestlt believes government can step in and help...I honestly believe they will step in a screw it up. I could be wrong on that, however I believe history is on my side.Washington will make a mess of it. Let suppy and demand run it course.

[hblask 1]

Admittablity I didn't actually read this article because I don't want to be smarter and I also think 20 minutes is too long for any idea to be expressed. If it takes more than 3 minutes to express your idea, then your ideas sucks.

By the way, it took me WAY more than 20 minutes. But I'm a slow reader.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

FWIW, I did read and appreciate the article. I did find it a little odd that he titled and started the article as he did in such a manner that made it seem that he was going to rely more on demagoguery than facts. You almost can't blame someone for giving up after the headline and anecdote.He articulates quite well some of the basic premises that I have often tried to express. That US “Healthcare Reform” as it is currently debated isn’t really “reform”, it is just making another entitlement out of insurance. And that the basic problems of the current system are not solved by providing insurance coverage to everyone. And that the true costs of healthcare need to be examined BEFORE embarking on sweeping reform.Also, ultimately, this is not just an article relevant to the US System and proposed solutions, it is also a criticism of other Countries’ approaches especially as they relate to applicability to the US today.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

All in all he had some real interesting points. Quite possibly the best thing I have read written by a Democrat...LOLI will separate from him because he honestlt believes government can step in and help...I honestly believe they will step in a screw it up. I could be wrong on that, however I believe history is on my side.Washington will make a mess of it. Let suppy and demand run it course.

To be honest, I think he pretty much says that Government will screw it up if they create a new entitlement out of Healthcare Insurance Coverage. So as a Democrat, I hope he is doing everything in his power to stop the so called "Reform" currently being rammed down our throats.

[FCP Bob 1,323]

Wait. If he doesn't read this one good article then any comment he ever makes about health care is therefore uninformed and lacking? What is it lately that just because someone finds something interesting and well written then anyone who dares to feel otherwise is somehow not as intellectual or is lacking curiosity?

No, it just tilts the hell out of me when somebody takes the time to make some really really stupid partisan one liner and says that he didn't read it but takes the time to say that he didn't read it. Based on that one post I think it's pretty obvious that any discussion with him will be on the level of " my Dad can beat up your Dad. " At least that's the impression that he left with me.Most partisans and ideologues of any persuasion tilt the Hell out of me because it's their attitude's on pretty much whatever an issue is that mean that solutions won't happen.Now if somebody says that the article is just too long for their attention span I can understand that in this World.I guess I'm just old and would rather read an article from The Economist Magazine or something like this one then one from USA Today.

[Balloon guy 158]

No, it just tilts the hell out of me when somebody takes the time to make some really really stupid partisan one liner and says that he didn't read it but takes the time to say that he didn't read it. Based on that one post I think it's pretty obvious that any discussion with him will be on the level of " my Dad can beat up your Dad. " At least that's the impression that he left with me.Most partisans and ideologues of any persuasion tilt the Hell out of me because it's their attitude's on pretty much whatever an issue is that mean that solutions won't happen.Now if somebody says that the article is just too long for their attention span I can understand that in this World.I guess I'm just old and would rather read an article from The Economist Magazine or something like this one then one from USA Today.

Well we know it won't happen under this administration...

[Balloon guy 158]

and for the record...When the article was written by Krugman, Olberman, or Hannity, I can choose not to read it, assume it is wrong, and feel good about that assumption.Same goes with AlJazeer, Algore and Allen Thicke, although Allen Thicke did have a good article about furniture refinishing that rivals the stuff by Ralph Kinney.So don't go getting all Checky McArrogant on us Bob that we have to read your links in order to be cool.Don't do that.

[strategy 4]

Most partisans and ideologues of any persuasion tilt the Hell out of me because it's their attitude's on pretty much whatever an issue is that mean that solutions won't happen.

Yeah, this is how I feel.I think pot odds' point is valid pretty often, just misapplied here.

[Pot Odds RAC 23]

Yeah, this is how I feel.I think pot odds' point is valid pretty often, just misapplied here.

Wouldn't be the first time.

[colonel Feathers 5]

No, it just tilts the hell out of me when somebody takes the time to make some really really stupid partisan one liner and says that he didn't read it but takes the time to say that he didn't read it. Based on that one post I think it's pretty obvious that any discussion with him will be on the level of " my Dad can beat up your Dad. " At least that's the impression that he left with me.Most partisans and ideologues of any persuasion tilt the Hell out of me because it's their attitude's on pretty much whatever an issue is that mean that solutions won't happen.Now if somebody says that the article is just too long for their attention span I can understand that in this World.I guess I'm just old and would rather read an article from The Economist Magazine or something like this one then one from USA Today.

What is it about you canadiens that you find it necessary to reaearch articles that attempt to portray the U.S. in a bad light That article was a total non sequitur to the title. The health care system didnt kill his dad. Some idiot who didnt wash ghis hands did. I am not a particulary educated fellow, but I can smell biased BS a mile away. After missing a rerun of taxi reading it, I still dont know what his solution is. B y the way his dad was 83, what did he expect for his lousy 900 bucks, live forever? Maybe I totally missed the point of the article, but guessing from the title, and the national debate going on, Im guessing he is for the government takeover of the healthcare system. If he thinks that will improve things, then he is just a moron with a large vocabulary. Why the hell would someone spend 10 years in school, amass 100000 dollars of debt, just to work for the govt under a GS pay scale? YEA I know, this post was mostly convoluted, incoherent, and grammatically faulty, but after going this far Ill be dammned if Im gonna delete it now, P.S. My dad can beat up your dad.

[Swift_Psycho 1]

Maybe I totally missed the point of the article, but guessing from the title, and the national debate going on, Im guessing he is for the government takeover of the healthcare system. If he thinks that will improve things, then he is just a moron with a large vocabulary.

You clearly read at least parts of the article, but somehow managed to miss basically everything actually important that he said. I don't know if that makes you more or less worthy of ridicule than someone like balloonboy who just flat out didn't read it and felt compelled to make comments anyway.You don't have to do any guessing. He lays it out pretty clearly. Not surprisingly, your guess was wrong. Like way, way off.

[CaneBrain 97]

What is it about you canadiens that you find it necessary to reaearch articles that attempt to portray the U.S. in a bad light That article was a total non sequitur to the title. The health care system didnt kill his dad. Some idiot who didnt wash ghis hands did. I am not a particulary educated fellow, but I can smell biased BS a mile away. After missing a rerun of taxi reading it, I still dont know what his solution is. B y the way his dad was 83, what did he expect for his lousy 900 bucks, live forever? Maybe I totally missed the point of the article, but guessing from the title, and the national debate going on, Im guessing he is for the government takeover of the healthcare system. If he thinks that will improve things, then he is just a moron with a large vocabulary. Why the hell would someone spend 10 years in school, amass 100000 dollars of debt, just to work for the govt under a GS pay scale? YEA I know, this post was mostly convoluted, incoherent, and grammatically faulty, but after going this far Ill be dammned if Im gonna delete it now, P.S. My dad can beat up your dad.

You are bad at guessing......and writing.