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[dscoot]

Bellicheck taped opponents practices and this was illegal according to the rules or was it just unethical? Either way, he got a bad rap for it.

I find bellichecks situation similar to online poker when it comes to using programs to store opponents history/tendency's/ pct's etc.

If an mlb player went up to the plate with a digital wristwatch of all the tendencys of situations of the pitcher at the mound, would it be against the rules, or just unethical and frowned upon?


Im sure a bunch of people on this forum use these programs for poker, so i expect to take some heat for this, but imo the online poker programs are just as bad as bellicheck and the baseball scenario.

[Merby]

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[Poker Addict]

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BTW, MLB pitchers do use digital tools to assist them. From digital video of all of the hitters in the league, to spreadsheets or custom applications to track pitch sequences, hitters tendencies, if they can't lay off that high heat or a slider down and away. Just because they don't have that information on the mound, they use these tools and then memorize them before the game and between innings. Watch some replays of Curt Schilling who was probably the absolute best at this. He tracked EVERYTHING about a hitter and is a big reason he became a better pitcher later in his career.

Hitters do the same thing and can review that information before their at bats. Digital tools are used in all sports.

[ncperrotta069]

0% chance this isnt a joke acct

[Poker Addict]

0% chance this isnt a joke acct

God dam VB!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TrueAce13]

Bellicheck taped opponents practices and this was illegal according to the rules or was it just unethical? Either way, he got a bad rap for it.

I find bellichecks situation similar to online poker when it comes to using programs to store opponents history/tendency's/ pct's etc.

If an mlb player went up to the plate with a digital wristwatch of all the tendencys of situations of the pitcher at the mound, would it be against the rules, or just unethical and frowned upon?


Im sure a bunch of people on this forum use these programs for poker, so i expect to take some heat for this, but imo the online poker programs are just as bad as bellicheck and the baseball scenario.

stfu and gtfo

[JSpencer]

[kobe2odom8]

if jspencer says this is pointless, then it has to be

[JSpencer]

if jspencer says this is pointless, then it has to be

God bless.

[FARGOpokerND]

Bellicheck taped opponents practices and this was illegal according to the rules or was it just unethical? Either way, he got a bad rap for it.

I find bellichecks situation similar to online poker when it comes to using programs to store opponents history/tendency's/ pct's etc.

If an mlb player went up to the plate with a digital wristwatch of all the tendencys of situations of the pitcher at the mound, would it be against the rules, or just unethical and frowned upon?


Im sure a bunch of people on this forum use these programs for poker, so i expect to take some heat for this, but imo the online poker programs are just as bad as bellicheck and the baseball scenario.

As Steve pointed out earlier...MLB is VERY dependent on hitters and pitchers tendencies. There are scounting reports on every person that has ever played in the big leagues. Does he like to come inside on an 0-1 pitch? Does he throw his cutter with 2 strikes? Does he come to the plate and look fastball every first pitch?

NFL...hell...all major sports are the same. All do scouting reports and all try and analyze player and team tendencies to help formulate a game plan.

That is what a program like HEM and PT3 does...they allow the user to formulate a "game plan" to use against their opponents. Each hand is a game. What Bellicheck did was equivalent to the AP/UB superuser scam. He had access to the plays they were going to run DURING the game, just as the superusers had access to the cards DURING the hand.

See the similarities?

You CLEARLY did not think this through very well before you posted this, but that seems to be a recurring trend with you.

[TrueAce13]

As Steve pointed out earlier...MLB is VERY dependent on hitters and pitchers tendencies. There are scounting reports on every person that has ever played in the big leagues. Does he like to come inside on an 0-1 pitch? Does he throw his cutter with 2 strikes? Does he come to the plate and look fastball every first pitch?

NFL...hell...all major sports are the same. All do scouting reports and all try and analyze player and team tendencies to help formulate a game plan.

That is what a program like HEM and PT3 does...they allow the user to formulate a "game plan" to use against their opponents. Each hand is a game. What Bellicheck did was equivalent to the AP/UB superuser scam. He had access to the plays they were going to run DURING the game, just as the superusers had access to the cards DURING the hand.

See the similarities?

You CLEARLY did not think this through very well before you posted this, but that seems to be a recurring trend with you.

Online donk. He crushes live b/c he can look through their souls

[Poker Addict]

Online donk. He crushes live b/c he can look through their souls

Rose plays better live for the same reasons.

[dscoot]

wha....?



BTW, MLB pitchers do use digital tools to assist them. From digital video of all of the hitters in the league, to spreadsheets or custom applications to track pitch sequences, hitters tendencies, if they can't lay off that high heat or a slider down and away. Just because they don't have that information on the mound, they use these tools and then memorize them before the game and between innings. Watch some replays of Curt Schilling who was probably the absolute best at this. He tracked EVERYTHING about a hitter and is a big reason he became a better pitcher later in his career.

Hitters do the same thing and can review that information before their at bats. Digital tools are used in all sports.

yes but are these digital tools allowed to be used during the game? i guess its ok to study on the side, but once the poker cards are in the air, should you still be allowed to use it then. at the plate, the hitter has none of that info at his disposal, in the huddle just before the snap, the qb has none of the media/digital tools at his disposal.

[KingJames]

Couldn't find a good one, but QBs and defensive players alike use the armband "playbook"

[silkyjonson]

Except that we are getting there tendencies from games being played out in the open and not private practices. Bellichek broke the rules and was getting info that is not being made available via a game where teams are expected to pick up information. All the tables are open for people to watch and or collect information and its not agains the rules, pretty significant difference. Dscoot you dumb as hell.

[KingJames]

Look at all that writing on Bradys forearm. Plus they get "HUD"-esque real-time updates as they have a transceiver in their helmets...

[tbrick412]

jspencah>dscoot

[SBriand]

yes but are these digital tools allowed to be used during the game? i guess its ok to study on the side, but once the poker cards are in the air, should you still be allowed to use it then. at the plate, the hitter has none of that info at his disposal, in the huddle just before the snap, the qb has none of the media/digital tools at his disposal.

Ummm, the manager has that information and will use signs to tell the catcher what signs to give the pitcher, based on the hitters tendencies. The manager at times will also do this for hitters.

Todd Jones, the Detroit Tigers closer last year had a cheat sheet in his back pocket and when he would come out to close a game would pull it out and read it to get the info on the hitter he was about to face. He didn't like to memorize it like others do.

The MLB has no issue with these above examples.

[FARGOpokerND]

yes but are these digital tools allowed to be used during the game? i guess its ok to study on the side, but once the poker cards are in the air, should you still be allowed to use it then. at the plate, the hitter has none of that info at his disposal, in the huddle just before the snap, the qb has none of the media/digital tools at his disposal.

Ever heard of signs from the dugout? (EDIT: DAMMIT SB!!)

Anyways...they get all the info in-between innings or drives, which is essentially REAL-time info, since it isn't going to change drastically over the next inning.

So as I said...you aren't thinking this through very well.

[vbnautilus]

God dam VB!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please don't insult my work this way.