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[Temporary Nuts]

I said I could do this on an index card, but while I'm at it I figured I'd just explain everything bc questions will be asked.Any Starcraft players here? If so you remember those bastards who always picked the Zerg race and rushed at you with 5 bagillion of the cheapest minions and their entire strategy was to crush you with volume and zero thought. Annoying little pricks aren't they? Well the concept is applicable to the lowest levels of online poker and is extremely effective in getting your bankroll started.I would not personally use this strategy past .05/.10NL, but it may still be effective higher up... I just haven't played FR at those stakes in forever. The basic idea is that micro players in general make 2 horrific mistakes: 1) They play way too many hands preflop 2) Top pair is the nutsWe are going to exploit this by sizing our stacks so we can maximize these errors without having to play beyond maximizing these errors. While profitable, the edge isn't tremendous. However, it is so simple to exploit these mistakes that we can make up for the edge being small by playing 16-20 tables at a time. This will also make variance fairly low and teach players what good volume really is.Ok, the games you will be playing are Full Ring NLHE, I recommend Pokerstars for this because of the abundance of tables. Rule 1: Shortstackers have a natural mathematical edge on early streets, exploit it. You will be buying in for 40-50big blinds. For $.01/.02 you should buy in for $1. For $.02/.05 you should buy in for $2 for .05/.10 you will buy in for $4. That's right, you're a shortstacking little prick, get over it.Rule 2: When your mathematical edge is gone we no longer want to play. Good lord we're hit and running too? That's right, once you get up around 75 big blinds you are leaving that particular table. Screw ethics these are penny tables and you won't have time to pay attention to chat anyway.Rule 3: We still like to profit, don't get too short I could never get the auto-top off feature to work, but when your stack is below 35 big blinds it's time to reload back to 40 big blinds. Stay alert and kinda memorize the mouse movements because this can get tricky when managing a lot of tables. Also, the auto-rebuy feature is the nuts.Rule 4: Tight is right. If you can't read this chart have someone else explain it for you.Stack off doesn't mean shove, it means these are the hands you're willing to go the distance with preflop heads up. If it gets multiway you should default to UTG's Cat 1 hands.Rule 5: Punish their mistakes now not later This means your open should be 5BB + 1 for every limper. If you can get away with more then do more. You're going to be playing a lot of tables so I don't suggest sitting there and counting every limper, just learn to ballpark it, click the slider a few times, and get it where you want it to be. Your three bets should be at least triple the opener. If you have a raise and call in front of you with a Cat 1 hand, just shove.Rule 6: When in doubt, fold it out If you're in a tough spot preflop and you're not sure whether you should be playing defaulting to a fold is fine. That is unless, you have half of your stack in preflop, in which case it is almost never correct to fold any two.Rule 7: Preflop aggressor is usually still ahead Unless you have a super multiway pot (4 or more players), if you were the preflop aggressor you should be betting again. Your bet size is by board texture. Naked boards = half pot. Boards with a draw or two = 2/3's of the pot. Superdrawy boards = pot. If any C-bet leaves you with an awkwardly small turn bet, just shove.Rule 8: Top pairs is da nuts Well it is for them at least. Your goal should be to stack off every time you have TP/TK or better. If you reach the turn and have TP/TK or better, shove please. Also, if you get a "big blind special" just keep potting it. I'm assuming a BB special is 2 pair or better.Rule 9: Don't Slowplay. If I catch you slowplaying you must send me your entire bankroll. Slowplaying is stupid, don't do it. Minor exception if you flop quad aces.Rule 10: Keep focus on having your 16-20 tables up. If you feel you can't keep up with managing the tables you are probably playing too many hands. There are some times where you go on a rush of good hands at like 10 tables, but if you're consistently timing out you are probably spewing. It takes some getting used to with all the tables popping up in your face, but after the first hour you should have the hang of it.Also, a couple words of advice. Play the tables as they pop up and do not use quick buttons (they cause massive misclicks). Let the tables open where they lie don't try to arrange them or drag them around. Stop watching your all ins, you don't have time to. Just know that you probably made a good move and if you are unsure review it after your session is done. You will get your money in behind sometimes playing this nitty, don't worry, that's part of poker. You will be getting it in good often enough.

[KingJames]

Temporary Nuts, on Thursday, August 6th, 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

Also, a couple words of advice. Play the tables as they pop up and do not use quick buttons (they cause massive misclicks). Let the tables open where they lie don't try to arrange them or drag them around. Stop watching your all ins, you don't have time to. Just know that you probably made a good move and if you are unsure review it after your session is done. You will get your money in behind sometimes playing this nitty, don't worry, that's part of poker. You will be getting it in good often enough.

LOLGood work, TN

[Temporary Nuts]

KingJames, on Thursday, August 6th, 2009, 4:20 PM, said:

LOL

I really should practice what I preach. I'm guilty of moving like 8 tables out of the way to watch a pot... and then suffer the consequences seconds later when I pick up 3 AA's with time left next to 0

[KingJames]

Only once have I timed out with AA, two others all in QQ>KK for a 220bb pot, would have been 330 and I would have lost, cause I was HU in a silly HORSE sng... saved me a bi

[KingJames]

Also, do you use tracking software and HUD?

[Temporary Nuts]

KingJames, on Thursday, August 6th, 2009, 5:30 PM, said:

Also, do you use tracking software and HUD?

I use PT3 but never used a HUD they confuse me

[Solar]

Ahhhh!!! Hate you!!!But you are right, it is good strategy. Not much fun for anyone involved but it works.

[droberts]

i am convinced now that u can win on only AA and KK at 5NL... played tonight and won all my biggest pots on 3 hands.. AA, AA, and KK. total profit from those 3 hands was $9.80. The total session of 4 tabling was 302 hands and profit was $8.10. So if i had only played those 3 hands i would have been better off, but then again tables might have picked up on the fact that i only played AA and KK, lol.btw those 3 hands were the only times i got AA and KK. So i am not just counting my wins with AA and KK.

[Dubey]

you will often find if you look at your PT results that if you remove the profits from QQ, KK, and AA, you are a breakeven or slightly winning/losing player.This does not mean that you only make money on those 3 hands.

[NoBBiR]

Temporary Nuts, on Thursday, August 6th, 2009, 12:02 PM, said:

I said I could do this on an index card, but while I'm at it I figured I'd just explain everything bc questions will be asked.Any Starcraft players here? If so you remember those bastards who always picked the Zerg race and rushed at you with 5 bagillion of the cheapest minions and their entire strategy was to crush you with volume and zero thought. Annoying little pricks aren't they? Well the concept is applicable to the lowest levels of online poker and is extremely effective in getting your bankroll started.

LOL 4 POOL LING RUSH MO'FO'.I played Starcraft for like 5 years and wasted basically half of my social life from 7th-10th grade because of it. One of my best friends in High School was offered an Elky type sponsorship deal for WCG for Starcraft, etc, and his mom told him there was no way she was going to let him play a video game for a living (bitch) after the she picked up the phone once when the sponsor called his house and she told him to leave her son alone or she was calling the cops, LOL.Anyway, I really like this overall. I almost want to go do this live at Turningstone 1/2 now. Minbuyin hit and run, lolz.

[qnshustler]

NoBBiR, on Wednesday, August 12th, 2009, 3:34 PM, said:

Anyway, I really like this overall. I almost want to go do this live at Turningstone 1/2 now. Minbuyin hit and run, lolz.

LoL I have played more poker at turningstone than anywhere else. Graduated from SUNY Albany last year and would go to TS nearly every weekend for many years. Haven't been there in since I think January now but if you've been there a bit over the last few years playing 1/2 I've almost definitely played with you.

[NoBBiR]

qnshustler, on Thursday, August 13th, 2009, 1:17 PM, said:

LoL I have played more poker at turningstone than anywhere else. Graduated from SUNY Albany last year and would go to TS nearly every weekend for many years. Haven't been there in since I think January now but if you've been there a bit over the last few years playing 1/2 I've almost definitely played with you.

I really wouldn't doubt it. I've probably been there like 20 times or so strickly to play poker since I turned 18 and I'm 21, so it's very possible.Do you still live in a relative close area? I live in Binghamton, about 1.5 hours away from there.

[qnshustler]

NoBBiR, on Friday, August 14th, 2009, 2:02 PM, said:

I really wouldn't doubt it. I've probably been there like 20 times or so strickly to play poker since I turned 18 and I'm 21, so it's very possible.Do you still live in a relative close area? I live in Binghamton, about 1.5 hours away from there.

Not really I live down in Queens now, don't know if I'll ever get back up to TS, but they may be a good thing for my bankroll

[babylondonks]

Any reason we're getting it in with AQs and not AQo?

[Temporary Nuts]

babylondonks, on Friday, August 14th, 2009, 8:15 PM, said:

Any reason we're getting it in with AQs and not AQo?

To reduce the frequency of us stacking off with AQ, since it doesn't fair as well AIPF in FR, but we still need to keep in in the range to leave it somewhat balanced. And yes, balancing ranges is important when designing a fixed strategy, since it will be open to exploitation.

[babylondonks]

Open to exploitation at 5nl? Unless somebody is logging thousands of hands with you balancing with AQ is not going to be a problem. There's nothing wrong with your range if you don't get it in pre with AQ. I don't at 6max and I don't know many that do readless.

[trystero]

babylon is right; balancing means nothing at these limits (at most limits and in most games).

[Temporary Nuts]

Why is it when I say the word balance people treat it as if I'm talking about 4 betting 87s preflop?

[babylondonks]

Temporary Nuts, on Sunday, August 16th, 2009, 4:57 AM, said:

Why is it when I say the word balance people treat it as if I'm talking about 4 betting 87s preflop?

I didn't?

[Nashtak]

droberts, on Friday, August 7th, 2009, 5:02 AM, said:

i am convinced now that u can win on only AA and KK at 5NL... played tonight and won all my biggest pots on 3 hands.. AA, AA, and KK. total profit from those 3 hands was $9.80. The total session of 4 tabling was 302 hands and profit was $8.10. So if i had only played those 3 hands i would have been better off, but then again tables might have picked up on the fact that i only played AA and KK, lol.btw those 3 hands were the only times i got AA and KK. So i am not just counting my wins with AA and KK.

No. They might have not. They are just that carelesss.