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Poll: Who do you think killed JFK? (59 member(s) have cast votes)

JFK, who killed him?

  1. Oswald acted alone. (12 votes [20.34%])

    Percentage of vote: 20.34%

  2. It was a vast conspiracy, and Oswald was a patsy. (16 votes [27.12%])

    Percentage of vote: 27.12%

  3. Oswald was involved, but didn't act alone. (5 votes [8.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.47%

  4. I'm not sure, but it seems like it was Oswald alone. (5 votes [8.47%])

    Percentage of vote: 8.47%

  5. I'm not sure, but it seems like it was some kind of conspiracy. (13 votes [22.03%])

    Percentage of vote: 22.03%

  6. I really don't know. (2 votes [3.39%])

    Percentage of vote: 3.39%

  7. I really don't care (then why did you open the thread and read this far, jerk). (6 votes [10.17%])

    Percentage of vote: 10.17%

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#1 timwakefield

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:33 PM

So we've all probably heard about the magic bullet, and we've all definitely heard about the grassy knoll. I don't think we've ever had a thread on it though, at least not a good one, and this is an actual 'paranoid conspiracy theory' which is at least plausible.

I watched a pretty solid documentary a few months ago which convinced me that the conspiracy theories were just more nonsense. I can't find it right now, but if somebody has a good video that backs the "official" side of things, you should post it.

So then I watched this video (while I played poker, it's friggin 3 hours long). It's episodes 7, 8, and 9 of a 9-part series made by a British company, and apparently these 3 are the most relevant or interesting episodes. They were run on the History Channel in the states, but were pulled with a lot of apologizing (and lawsuits) for the 9th episode, which fingers LBJ as the main conspirator.

The men who killed Kennedy

Anyways, here are the main topics they talk about/investigate in these 3 episodes:

I think the first thing they get to is, to me, the most interesting part. It's about how the Secret Service not only completely dropped the ball, but how they acted extremely strangely.

Firstly, Kennedy's car was first in line. Usually it would be somewhere in the middle, with other cars in front of it and behind.

Second and most fascinating is that the two men on Kennedy's car were pulled off of it minutes before he was shot.

I think this is Woodrow Wilson. He has four friggin guys on his car.



This is the man who was on Kennedy's right rear bumper, aka the man who was Kennedy's human shield, confused as he is ordered off of the car. The film of this is shown early in the documentary I linked.



Note how the police motorcycles, usually riding in front of and beside the limo, have also been yanked, and are now riding behind.

Then there's more about how they didn't have men on the ground like they normally do, how they didn't sweep the area beforehand like they normally do, and of course that Kennedy's route was changed to include a slow turn (a move which is against secret service regulations) right before he got hit. There's a former agent or somebody who talks about how the Book Depository had open windows, and that normally the area would be secured to the point that that would not be allowed, and that if a window was opened they would have a man in the room in seconds. But on that day they did not even have men on the ground.


The next part of the documentary is about Oswald, and much of it is an interview with this pretty odd but very smart woman who was Oswald's lover. She tells an extraordinary story, some of which is true and the rest of which is uncorroborated, at best. I mean it's possible that she's telling the whole truth - the truth is often stranger than anybody could believe - but her story is just too wild to believe without more evidence. She was like a super awesome cancer scientist or something though, so she has some credentials.


The last part is the part that got the doc banned in the states, and it totally blames LBJ. I think this was also the part that got all into the grassy knoll theories, and autopsy questions. They get like the friggin doctor who treated Kennedy and tried to revive him, and he says that Kennedy had an entry wound in the front of his neck. And they have another doctor saying about how the fatal shot caused a massive exit wound in the back of his skull, and that the official autopsy pictures were forgeries. They also get like the dude who performed the autopsy or something. They get a lot of people who seem unlikely to be lying.


And near the end they drop the most shocking evidence/revelation/theory they found. They get a match on the only unidentified fingerprint from the room in the Book Depository, and that match is Malcolm Wallace, a friend of LBJ's and also a convicted murderer (for whom LBJ, then a Texas Senator, managed to get a 5-year-suspended sentence on that 1st degree murder conviction). One of the best-respected fingerprint experts says that he is positive that it is a match.

Anyways, anybody in the mood for some good ol' conspiracy talk?
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:40 PM

QUOTE (timwakefield @ Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 7:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>


The secret service agent in the front right of this picture looks like the biggest badass ever.
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#3 timwakefield

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:44 PM

QUOTE (speedz99 @ Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 11:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The secret service agent in the front right of this picture looks like the biggest badass ever.


I know, right? He's like a sexier, more bad-ass Clark Gable.
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:56 PM

Its for sure a conspiracy.
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Posted 04 August 2009 - 07:57 PM

It's impossible to find a sexier, more bad-ass version of Clark Gable.

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Posted 04 August 2009 - 08:34 PM

I did. I was one bad ass two year old!
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:29 AM

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Its for sure a conspiracy.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:32 AM

LBJ did it? So that's where he learned to get Nike to hide the video tapes...

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 05:36 AM

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 06:13 AM

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 06:32 AM

Boom! Headshot!

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 07:26 AM

QUOTE (timwakefield @ Tuesday, August 4th, 2009, 8:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
She was like a super awesome cancer scientist or something though, so she has some credentials.

I would contend that the title "Super Awesome Cancer Scientist" should be reserved for those directly involved in a cure for cancer. Therefore, I reject your entire conspiracy theory.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:24 AM

The Comedian killed him, I saw him do it.
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#14 timwakefield

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:43 AM

QUOTE (JoeyJoJo @ Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 11:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I would contend that the title "Super Awesome Cancer Scientist" should be reserved for those directly involved in a cure for cancer. Therefore, I reject your entire conspiracy theory.



I'm not sure why you said that. Did you watch the documentary of her? She was directly involved in studying a cure for cancer. So unless you have watched the documentary and are making a joke about the fact that she was also (allegedly) attempting to create a form of weaponized cancer and therefore was not trying to cure it, I am confused by your post.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:51 AM

So check out this section of the documentary series:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytNronsn3as...BE&index=14

You can skip the first minute. After that is audio of a dude (who had means) in a room in Miami with a police informant, discussing how he and his friends were planning to kill JFK with a high-powered rifle fired from the window of an office building. This was on like November 9 or 8. So when Kennedy came to Miami a week before Dallas, his motorcade was cancelled and the secret service was on high alert. And then he goes to Dallas and the secret service are not only careless, but almost unbelievably careless, both in their preparation and then in their actions during the motorcade.

Like, they had just gotten an extremely credible threat about an assassination attempt coming from an office building, and yet they then make a slow, unprotected turn in front of an office building which had in no way been secured, and in fact had open windows. This from the secret service, widely considered the most conscientious and cautious security organization ever to exist.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 08:58 AM

QUOTE (timwakefield @ Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 8:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'm not sure why you said that. Did you watch the documentary of her? She was directly involved in studying a cure for cancer.


He's saying that she can't be that "Super Awesome" if there's no cure yet.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 09:00 AM

This documentary is surely a conspiracy.

No way a single guy shot all that on his own.

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 09:02 AM

Oswald did it. It's not hard to shoot the President. It's happened many times before. Was the Reagan thing a conspiracy too?

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Posted 05 August 2009 - 09:03 AM

QUOTE (speedz99 @ Wednesday, August 5th, 2009, 12:58 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
He's saying that she can't be that "Super Awesome" if there's no cure yet.



Ahhh. On the other hand, there is kind of a cure for many types of cancer.
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Posted 05 August 2009 - 09:04 AM

He's dead, nothing we do or say will bring him back. Let him rest in peace.




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