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[BSUrugby240]

I posted this over at 2+2, figured I'd get some opinions from over here as well. Here goes.In a live tourney with about 90-100 people left in it, blinds are 60/120. Avg stack is around 2500. I'm sitting with around 4900 I am UTG.READS (chip count) relevent to the hand: SB(4200)- very tight player has only lost one showdown out of about 5 since he's been at my table, and had second nuts on that hand.UTG+1(2900)- okay player, seems to be weak-tightCO(1800)- solid player overall, doesn't try to do anything fancy. Normally only calls raises with pairs or suited high cards. Might be tilting due to two pretty big beats over last three hands.I am UTG with AsKd I bet out to 500UTG+ calls 500CO raises all in to 1800SB re-raises all in to 4200UTG???Discuss.

[Mr Monkey]

whats to discuss. easy fold

[rawl316]

easy fold1) try to avoid hands when you have plenty of chips and someone can cripple you or knock you out.2) You can give up your 500 and still have plenty left.now onto card related reasons why you fold:With all those raises, you have to figure that assuming you aren't dominated by AA or KK, that someone has a pair. in that case, you are in a race. do you really want to do that for all your chips?

[MrNiceGuy]

rawl316 said:

easy fold1) try to avoid hands when you have plenty of chips and someone can cripple you or knock you out.2) You can give up your 500 and still have plenty left.now onto card related reasons why you fold:With all those raises, you have to figure that assuming you aren't dominated by AA or KK, that someone has a pair.  in that case, you are in a race.  do you really want to do that for all your chips?

I agree - easy fold here. If SB is tight, he doesn't make this play with JJ or worse, and might not make it with QQ or AK.In a cash game, I think it's iffy, but I'd still lean towards folding.

[NickTheKid]

BSUrugby240 said:

I posted this over at 2+2, figured I'd get some opinions from over here as well.   Here goes.In a live tourney with about 90-100 people left in it, blinds are 60/120. Avg stack is around 2500. I'm sitting with around 4900 I am UTG.READS (chip count) relevent to the hand:  SB(4200)- very tight player has only lost one showdown out of about 5 since he's been at my table, and had second nuts on that hand.UTG+1(2900)- okay player, seems to be weak-tightCO(1800)- solid player overall, doesn't try to do anything fancy. Normally only calls raises with pairs or suited high cards. Might be tilting due to two pretty big beats over last three hands.I am UTG with AsKd I bet out to 500UTG+ calls 500CO raises all in to 1800SB re-raises all in to 4200UTG???Discuss.

I would have just limped. Your position sucks.Easy Fold.

[rawl316]

NickTheKid said:

BSUrugby240 said:

I posted this over at 2+2, figured I'd get some opinions from over here as well.   Here goes.In a live tourney with about 90-100 people left in it, blinds are 60/120. Avg stack is around 2500. I'm sitting with around 4900 I am UTG.READS (chip count) relevent to the hand:  SB(4200)- very tight player has only lost one showdown out of about 5 since he's been at my table, and had second nuts on that hand.UTG+1(2900)- okay player, seems to be weak-tightCO(1800)- solid player overall, doesn't try to do anything fancy. Normally only calls raises with pairs or suited high cards. Might be tilting due to two pretty big beats over last three hands.I am UTG with AsKd I bet out to 500UTG+ calls 500CO raises all in to 1800SB re-raises all in to 4200UTG???Discuss.

I would have just limped. Your position sucks.Easy Fold.

I don't think I would have limped, but I know that your preflop raise was definitely big. a 3x raise is usually good enough, especially at those levels. you could have saved yourself 150 in chips.

[KDawgCometh]

NickTheKid said:

BSUrugby240 said:

I posted this over at 2+2, figured I'd get some opinions from over here as well.   Here goes.In a live tourney with about 90-100 people left in it, blinds are 60/120. Avg stack is around 2500. I'm sitting with around 4900 I am UTG.READS (chip count) relevent to the hand:  SB(4200)- very tight player has only lost one showdown out of about 5 since he's been at my table, and had second nuts on that hand.UTG+1(2900)- okay player, seems to be weak-tightCO(1800)- solid player overall, doesn't try to do anything fancy. Normally only calls raises with pairs or suited high cards. Might be tilting due to two pretty big beats over last three hands.I am UTG with AsKd I bet out to 500UTG+ calls 500CO raises all in to 1800SB re-raises all in to 4200UTG???Discuss.

I would have just limped. Your position sucks.Easy Fold.

but your hand doesn't. I like the raise, and its such an easy fold its not funny. I'd cal if it was just HU maybe

[TJ_Eckleburg]

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I would have just limped.  Your position sucks.

I realize your position sucks, but if you limp with AK UTG, then what do you raise with UTG?I think it's a fold, but not as easy as everyone makes it out to be. The reason I prefer folding is that for the action, it's probably fair to assume one of the opponents has a premium hand and the other is killing one or more of your outs. Not an all-in situation favorable to you, especially when you can fold the 500 and move on.

[cdddc75]

Mr Monkey said:

whats to discuss. easy fold

[BSUrugby240]

NickTheKid said:

I would have just limped. Your position sucks.Easy Fold.

Limping sucks. I feel fine playing postflop out of position.I folded. As did UTG+1 showing his AJ suited when folding.ShowdownCO- AQ suitedSB- AK suitedBoth go unimproved SB takes it down.

[cdddc75]

BSUrugby240 said:

NickTheKid said:

I would have just limped. Your position sucks.Easy Fold.

Limping sucks. I feel fine playing postflop out of position.I folded. As did UTG+1 showing his AJ suited when folding.ShowdownCO- AQ suitedSB- AK suitedBoth go unimproved SB takes it down.

Nice hand.

[TJ_Eckleburg]

At least I was right about your opponents killing your outs. The only time I want to consider being all-in preflop with AK (if I can help it) is when I'm pretty sure I'm up against one opponent and can count on most of my outs being live. If you see heavy action with AK, you've got to mentally reduce the strength of your hand because some of your outs are probably dead.Good hand, and your discipline will win out over theirs if you can get away from AK there and your opponents can't.

[BSUrugby240]

TJ_Eckleburg said:

At least I was right about your opponents killing your outs.  The only time I want to consider being all-in preflop with AK (if I can help it) is when I'm pretty sure I'm up against one opponent and can count on most of my outs being live.  If you see heavy action with AK, you've got to mentally reduce the strength of your hand because some of your outs are probably dead.Good hand, and your discipline will win out over theirs if you can get away from AK there and your opponents can't.

Yeah, I figured, at best I was in a "coinflip" with strong chances that many of my outs were dead.

[Abbaddabba]

The only reason you'd want to fold is because you have such a negligable amount of your chips in. You're almost certainly getting pot odds to call. The only circumstances that you wont be getting pot odds is if a) someone else has kings or aces, or B) one person has A/K and the other has a pocket pair.A/K against two pocket pairs is, last i checked, roughly 33-36% to win the pot and you are getting paid more than 2 : 1 (which is the probability in terms of odds). The degree to which it is more than 2 : 1 is the amount that you have in the pot, relative to how much more you have to put in.If it's an extremely low limit table, unless you believe they're sufficiently tight, it's not _that_ bad a call. It's true that due to the fact that they may hold kings or aces, you may want to forego the marginal gains supposing they dont; but i think it's also highly probable that you have them completely dominated (such would be the case if they were holding A/Q, K/Q, A/J or the like). Again, the probability of them holding those hands depends on how loose or tight you think they are.