NoBBiR 0 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 Please notice that we're kinda deep if you're supporting a super fast play.Full Tilt Pot-Limit Omaha, $0.10 BB (3 handed) - Full-Tilt Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.comSB ($24.22)BB ($19.94)Hero (Button) ($29.35)Preflop: Hero is Button with A, J, A, QHero bets $0.35, 1 fold, BB calls $0.25Flop: ($0.75) Q, K, A(2 players)BB checks, Hero bets $0.40, BB raises to $0.80, Hero calls $0.40Turn: ($2.35) 3(2 players)BB bets $0.60, Hero calls $0.60River: ($3.55) 6(2 players)BB bets $2.50, Hero foldsTotal pot: $3.55 | Rake: $0.23Yeah? Villain hasn't been doing anything crazy but has a hard time folding not getting the right price. What else could he have, right?Almost raised the turn but he laid me a great price to straight up outdraw him and he's never folding anything that I want him to fold (I don't want a worse set to go out and the nuts aren't folding). Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 His betting line seems very odd for the nuts. Why would he make such a small turn bet but then make a much larger river bet on a blank card? Flop and turn looks like he's trying not to scare you off with the min check-raise and then tiny turn bet, but then throws out a 2/3 pot bet on the river that you're much less likely to call? Is it possible this could be KK/QQ or even KQ? Link to post Share on other sites
CoolHandKai 0 Posted June 13, 2009 Share Posted June 13, 2009 I'd say the small turn bet is there to incite a raise (EDIT: I originally wrote reraise, but I guess it'd be a mere raise), with that many outs the call there is correct, as is the fold on the river. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted June 14, 2009 Author Share Posted June 14, 2009 His betting line seems very odd for the nuts. Why would he make such a small turn bet but then make a much larger river bet on a blank card? Flop and turn looks like he's trying not to scare you off with the min check-raise and then tiny turn bet, but then throws out a 2/3 pot bet on the river that you're much less likely to call? Is it possible this could be KK/QQ or even KQ?KQ isn't likely. KK and QQ are likely, but are they likely enough against your semi-standard 10plo player to make this a profitable call? Link to post Share on other sites
jmbreslin 0 Posted June 15, 2009 Share Posted June 15, 2009 I'd say the small turn bet is there to incite a raise (EDIT: I originally wrote reraise, but I guess it'd be a mere raise), with that many outs the call there is correct, as is the fold on the river.You could be right. But then why fire a 2/3 pot bet on the river, which is much more likely to induce a fold, after leading for 1/4 pot on the turn? If he does have the nuts, why not make a much smaller river bet in the hopes of getting at least a call? It's the comparison of the river bet to the turn bet that confuses me. Link to post Share on other sites
KingJames 11 Posted June 17, 2009 Share Posted June 17, 2009 You could be right. But then why fire a 2/3 pot bet on the river, which is much more likely to induce a fold, after leading for 1/4 pot on the turn? If he does have the nuts, why not make a much smaller river bet in the hopes of getting at least a call? It's the comparison of the river bet to the turn bet that confuses me. ThisWhy would villain give such a great price for the draws to draw?You're line indicates that you're on the draw. Your hand is under-repped and I do think villain shows up with KK QQ here enough to be profitable.The fact that you're playing 3 handed and on the button makes this a call for me. You're button raising range is probably pretty wide, so villains bb defense range is wide as well. I don't see a competant player playing JT this way. I agree with jmbreslin that JT would almost have to bet less on the river to induce a call from AK AA KK QQ, etc... Link to post Share on other sites
heyitscorey 0 Posted June 24, 2009 Share Posted June 24, 2009 i'd call and expect to see random two pairs + gutters, kk, JJXx and JT here. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted June 25, 2009 Author Share Posted June 25, 2009 i'd call and expect to see random two pairs + gutters, kk, JJXx and JT here.JJxx? Why would he ever have that. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 His betting line seems very odd for the nuts. Why would he make such a small turn bet but then make a much larger river bet on a blank card? Flop and turn looks like he's trying not to scare you off with the min check-raise and then tiny turn bet, but then throws out a 2/3 pot bet on the river that you're much less likely to call? Is it possible this could be KK/QQ or even KQ?weak players do this all the time with the nuts, its a note i have on a ton of players. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted June 26, 2009 Share Posted June 26, 2009 JJxx? Why would he ever have that.thinking he has two blockers to the straight. Link to post Share on other sites
NoBBiR 0 Posted June 27, 2009 Author Share Posted June 27, 2009 thinking he has two blockers to the straight.So he thinks he can bluff me off of a set?That's pretty high level thinking for a 10plo game lolz. Link to post Share on other sites
antistuff 0 Posted June 29, 2009 Share Posted June 29, 2009 So he thinks he can bluff me off of a set?That's pretty high level thinking for a 10plo game lolz.poor players often hear about something that sounds like a neat idea to them and then misuse it. Link to post Share on other sites
Shark527 0 Posted July 1, 2009 Share Posted July 1, 2009 ThisThe fact that you're playing 3 handed and on the button makes this a call for me. You're button raising range is probably pretty wide, so villains bb defense range is wide as well. Link to post Share on other sites
rrumsey 0 Posted July 9, 2009 Share Posted July 9, 2009 at this limit i just have to assume it was a weird misplay trying to value bet turn to set up the river bet. Good thinking thou that bet on turn looks like it was designed to get repopped because the flop was sssooo good u had to have a pretty good hand. what does everyone else think about it? Link to post Share on other sites
DonkSlayer 1 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 I'm pretty spewy so I raise the turn more often. Link to post Share on other sites
BaseJester 1 Posted August 4, 2009 Share Posted August 4, 2009 http://twodimes.net/h/?z=6567213pokenum -o ac jc as qs - ts jd 9c 7h -- qd kc ah 3c Omaha Hi: 40 enumerated boards containing Kc 3c Qd Ahcards win %win lose %lose tie %tie EVAs Qs Ac Jc 16 40.00 22 55.00 2 5.00 0.425Ts 9c Jd 7h 22 55.00 16 40.00 2 5.00 0.575 Link to post Share on other sites
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