Petoria 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Suppose you raise UTG with A J , the only callers are the SB and BB. Flop: 3 5 7 SB checks, BB bets, Hero...I'm just asking when is it correct to call with overs. The pot is giving me 7:1, should i try a raise for a free card. I think this is a major leak in my game. Link to post Share on other sites
CormacD 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 A major leak in mine as well. Someone who knows what they're talking about? Link to post Share on other sites
dms26 3 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 I don't like raising here but I'd most likely call one bet to see the turn. If there was a flush draw or a connected flop I'd fold though, it's not a big pot and you could be chasing with few outs. Link to post Share on other sites
Petoria 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Author Share Posted May 20, 2005 So as long as there are no draws, it is correct to call. What pot odds should i have? What effect does position have? I would like to hear the logic behind and the mathematics associated with calling with overs. Link to post Share on other sites
cdddc75 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 In this case, assume that all six of your ace/jack outs are good. 7:1 is just about the right odds to call. If for some reason you don't believe that an ace or a jack hitting will give you the lead because the villian has more than a pair, then fold. Link to post Share on other sites
Devilkin 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Depends on whether I raised or not PF.If so, Ill bet that flop - try to represent a fearless overpair. If I just limped in, no bet, but Id call a bet to see the turn, but I wouldn't cold call two bets. Nothing on the turn? Check/fold.Dev Link to post Share on other sites
CormacD 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 In this case, assume that all six of your ace/jack outs are good. 7:1 is just about the right odds to call. If for some reason you don't believe that an ace or a jack hitting will give you the lead because the villian has more than a pair, then fold.Not worth popping it for a free card since you dont even have a backdoor flush draw? Link to post Share on other sites
cdddc75 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 Calling is correct based on pot odds.Raising, as CormacD suggests, is even better. A flop three bet tells you it's check/fold time. Otherwise, you get two chances to improve.Definitely pop this hand. Link to post Share on other sites
TJ_Eckleburg 0 Posted May 20, 2005 Share Posted May 20, 2005 For the record I'm assuming this is limit hold'em.If I'm heads up with the blinds in a pot I've raised, I'd autobet/raise *almost* any flop for fold equity alone.You'll most likely get a free card on the turn, which means you've spent two half bets (instead of passively calling 1.5) to see a river.Your 6 overcard outs are probably good.I realize we don't have many draws, backdoor or otherwise, but fold equity with the blinds is something to consider. If they're even halfway decent players they'll remember you raised UTG, which should indicate SOME sort of strength.If you look in wrto's blog he's got a great section on how to play overcards. Link to post Share on other sites
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