flopping a flush draw

[mrdannyg 274]

i think this one is easy. the original raiser was prone to raising with strong drawing cards (10Js, etc). he hadn't yet done this from early position, but i didn't have to assume he was strong. once he doesn't cap pre-flop i know i'm ahead. cold-calling at this table was not unusual, and those people particularly were prone to this.reraising pre-flop seems obvious. i guess my questions are whether to raise the flop and whether to bet the turn. if i don't raise the flop i'm treating it as a drawing hand (albeit a strong one). by raising such a dangerous and weak looking flop i'm hoping to win without a showdown if the drawers miss. on the turn i have the nuts, and frankly, i'd be surprised if anyone has a live draw, ignoring the results.actually, this hand seems pretty damned straight-forward now that i reexamine it. but i'll post this anyways just to prove to you guys i don't have my head all the way up my butt which i guarantee you will suspect once you see the hands i'll post over the next few weeks.please just confirm that the flop raise and turn bet were the right play, or explain why they might not be.$2/$4 Hold'em - Friday, May 20, 00:57:00 EDT 2005Table Table 15688 (Real Money)Seat 4 is the buttonTotal number of players : 9 Seat 1: pizzaking222 ( $49.73 )Seat 2: Gestringbet ( $66.75 )Seat 6: greatman2222 ( $81.5 )Seat 10: alhambra1 ( $157.54 )Seat 3: mrdannyg ( $198 )Seat 9: kp043 ( $105 )Seat 4: prohibohates ( $108 )Seat 7: MaRc_Lo911 ( $267.13 )Seat 5: Krill268 ( $100 )greatman2222 posts small blind [$1].MaRc_Lo911 posts big blind [$2].** Dealing down cards **Dealt to mrdannyg [ As Kc ]kp043 folds.alhambra1 raises [$4].pizzaking222 calls [$4].Gestringbet calls [$4].mrdannyg raises [$6].prohibohates folds.greatman2222 folds.MaRc_Lo911 calls [$4].alhambra1 calls [$2].pizzaking222 calls [$2].Gestringbet calls [$2].** Dealing Flop ** [ Ts, 3s, 9s ]MaRc_Lo911 checks.alhambra1 checks.pizzaking222 checks.Gestringbet bets [$2].mrdannyg raises [$4].MaRc_Lo911 folds.alhambra1 folds.pizzaking222 calls [$4].Gestringbet calls [$2].** Dealing Turn ** [ 2s ]pizzaking222 checks.Gestringbet checks.mrdannyg bets [$4].pizzaking222 folds.Gestringbet folds.mrdannyg does not show cards.mrdannyg wins $45kp043 has left the table.p.s. pokertrackering begins tomorrow!daniel

[econ_tim 0]

Yeah, you have to raise the flop because you have overs and 4 to nut flush.And betting the turn is also correct as smaller flushes will call and possibly raise you.

[akishore 0]

converted....Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converterPreflop: mrdannyg is CO with A:spade:, K:club:. 1 fold, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Flop: (15.50 SB) T:spade:, 3:spade:, 9:spade: (5 players)BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP1 checks, MP2 bets, BB folds, UTG+1 folds, MP1 calls, MP2 calls.Turn: (10.75 BB) 2:spade: (3 players)MP1 checks, MP2 checks, mrdannyg bets, MP1 folds, MP2 folds.Final Pot: 11.75 BB

[akishore 0]

way correct.totally standard. :-) you raise the flop to clean up your overcard outs as well as for value (equity) since you expect to win this hand way more than 20% of the time.and to even question the turn bet... ridiculous, i say.nh.aseem

[Vade 0]

way correct.totally standard. :-) you raise the flop to clean up your overcard outs as well as for value (equity) since you expect to win this hand way more than 20% of the time.and to even question the turn bet... ridiculous, i say.nh.aseem

Agreed. Just call a flop three bet though...(if it happens)

[akishore 0]

Agreed. Just call a flop three bet though...(if it happens)

cap the three-bet if there are at least three others in the pot. with two, just call. with just one opponent, cap it for a turn free card UI (assuming the three-bettor isn't a donk).you have position with the nut flush draw and two overs--even against one made flush and two paired hands, you have an equity edge.aseem