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Poll: Evolution vs not-evolution (42 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you feel about evolution?

  1. It's an extensively proven scientific theory. (28 votes [66.67%])

    Percentage of vote: 66.67%

  2. It's just a theory - and it's wrong. (2 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

  3. I'm not entirely sure, but I lean towards evolution. (10 votes [23.81%])

    Percentage of vote: 23.81%

  4. I'm not entirely sure, but I lean towards creationism. (2 votes [4.76%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.76%

What do you think of findings like this one?

  1. If it proves to be real, it is another piece in the puzzle of where we came from. (33 votes [78.57%])

    Percentage of vote: 78.57%

  2. Sure it's probably the remains of a long dead animal, but so what? (6 votes [14.29%])

    Percentage of vote: 14.29%

  3. I'm unsure. (3 votes [7.14%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.14%

The fossil has been dated to 47 million years old. Do you believe this is accurate?

  1. Probably, plus or minus as much as 10% maybe. (37 votes [88.10%])

    Percentage of vote: 88.10%

  2. Laughable. More like 5,000 years old, probably. (1 votes [2.38%])

    Percentage of vote: 2.38%

  3. Unsure. (4 votes [9.52%])

    Percentage of vote: 9.52%

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#1 timwakefield

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 11:40 AM

Here is an article describing the finding -

http://www.findingdulcinea.com/news/scienc...s-Skeptics.html




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Ida, a fossil of a small, female mammal who died in her first year of life, was unveiled at New York’s American Museum of Natural History on May 19 after years in the shadows. The fossil was discovered in 1983 and split in two, according to Science magazine, with one half housed in a museum in Wyoming and the other kept by a private collector, until it was bought by Jorn Hurum of the University of Oslo’s Natural History Museum.

Ida is an “unusually intact primate fossil dating to 47 million years ago, a time when most primates looked more like squirrels than people,” according to Nature’s blog The Great Beyond. Ida has been described as both monkey-like and lemur-like, illustrating the mixed views currently circulating about her lineage and significance.

The fossil is not believed to be a “missing link” species between apes and humans, according to several experts, though National Geographic reports that Hurum calls Ida “the closest thing we can get to a direct ancestor.”
Hurum is embracing extensive coverage of the fossil’s public debut for science’s sake. As he put it to The New York Times, “Any pop band is doing the same thing. … We have to start thinking the same way in science.”



So. Some people are touting it as the Holy Grail of human evolutionary discovery, but it's not. It's still a major discovery though. Basically I'm using this as an excuse to debate the fossil record, but also to talk about this finding. And there's no sense explaining to me how the evil scientists are distorting their data, because they're not distorting data, they're just giving it a Hollywood title.




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Posted 21 May 2009 - 11:52 AM

It wouldn't let me vote in just the middle question. The other two don't have the right choices for me.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 12:07 PM

QUOTE (brvheart @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 3:52 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It wouldn't let me vote in just the middle question. The other two don't have the right choices for me.



What would the right choices be? I don't think I can go back and edit the poll, but the poll is really just a means to getting people to open the thread.

And what is your vote on the middle question?
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 12:07 PM

There is no real debate over the fact of evolution. There is no "missing link" the evolutionary order leading up to Homo Sp. is very well established. I work with geology and earth history on a daily basis and evolution is the least controversial thing around.

I don't see evolution as being exclusive of there being a greater power and won't get my pants in a knot over it.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 12:09 PM

Having said that this fossil is way cool.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 12:14 PM

I say that the discovery of this missing link just means that there are now two more links that are missing.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 12:18 PM

QUOTE (LongLiveYorke @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 1:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I say that the discovery of this missing link just means that there are now two more links that are missing.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 02:25 PM




The Coelacanth used to be a missing link as well.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 03:28 PM

Wait so the argon dating doesn't tell us exactly which day of creation this thing was made on?

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 04:03 PM

QUOTE (aucu @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 12:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I don't see evolution as being exclusive of there being a greater power and won't get my pants in a knot over it.



it does however disprove biblical fundamentalism rather effectively.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 2:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The Coelacanth used to be a missing link as well.



and now it's a found link. the fact that it still exists doesn't change a thing.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 04:12 PM

QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 5:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
and now it's a found link. the fact that it still exists doesn't change a thing.



Keep telling yourself that a fish has been surviving for 360 million years largely unchanged and presents no problem to the theory of evolution.

I guess it is possible that the ocean's temp, predators and food conditions haven't changed much in that time, which would explain why the Coelacanth has not changed in 360 million years.


Or time travel from people in the future are messing with us.

But otherwise...it's a little problem in your neat theory of evolution.

But they found a monkey skeleton..so there's that.
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 04:22 PM

whoa, that's a pretty cool fossil that god planted to test our faith!
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 04:32 PM

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whoa, that's a pretty cool fossil that god planted to test our faith!



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Posted 21 May 2009 - 06:00 PM

QUOTE (Balloon guy @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 4:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Keep telling yourself that a fish has been surviving for 360 million years largely unchanged and presents no problem to the theory of evolution.


coelacanth is not "a fish". it's an entire order of fish species that were extremely successful and widespread for millions of years, with 2 (known) species that evolved
from this group still extant. the extant species share characteristics with those in the fossil record as would be expected since the basic evolved design was
apparently so successful and adaptable, but they are NOT unchanged - the extant species have actually never been found as fossils.

why don't you stop reading creationist misinformation intended for the gullable and research this stuff for yourself.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 06:14 PM

QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 7:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
coelacanth is not "a fish". it's an entire order of fish species that were extremely successful and widespread for millions of years, with 2 (known) species that evolved
from this group still extant. the extant species share characteristics with those in the fossil record as would be expected since the basic evolved design was
apparently so successful and adaptable, but they are NOT unchanged - the extant species have actually never been found as fossils.

why don't you stop reading creationist misinformation intended for the gullable and research this stuff for yourself.



360 million years.

Sure looks like a fish
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Posted 21 May 2009 - 06:14 PM

Fossils are just something the Jews buried in 1924.

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Posted 21 May 2009 - 06:17 PM

QUOTE (crowTrobot @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
coelacanth is not "a fish". it's an entire order of fish species that were extremely successful and widespread for millions of years, with 2 (known) species that evolved
from this group still extant. the extant species share characteristics with those in the fossil record as would be expected since the basic evolved design was
apparently so successful and adaptable, but they are NOT unchanged - the extant species have actually never been found as fossils.

why don't you stop reading creationist misinformation intended for the gullable and research this stuff for yourself.



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Posted 21 May 2009 - 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Poppy_Hillis @ Thursday, May 21st, 2009, 9:14 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Fossils are just something the Jews buried in 1924.



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Posted 21 May 2009 - 09:13 PM

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