Balloon guy 158 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 In the second free hand anaylsis video where Dn raises UTG with J9 hearts and Wasika calls with K 10 spadesThe flop comes 6 8 10.DN checks, Wasika bets a small ball amount into the pot, I think 15 into a pot of 25.Wasika says he wants to keep the bet small enough that if he gets raised he's not committed. Okay I see that.DN then says his pot odds of calling 15 to win 40 so he definately is going to call.Now I undestand the small ball philosophy of pot control, chip preservation, etc.But didn't Wasika place his pot totally at risk by giving DN perfect pot odds to call?Wouldn't this be a situation where small ball is showing a pure defensive strength, but almost no offensive strength? DN was going to call a bigger raise I understand, but when he said definately going to call my first thought was small ball made it much easier for the other players to chase draws. If Paul knew what DN had, a draw, he could make him pay and or give him bad odds to call.I understand that as a general strategy the small ball has great strengths, but on a draw heavy board, don't you want to abandon small ball and price people out of pots? Link to post Share on other sites
DCJ001 0 Posted May 13, 2009 Share Posted May 13, 2009 The way that Daniel plays, he still likes to keep the pot small. Also, he's not afraid to let people draw, as long as they're paying a reasonable price to do it. If he feels that the other player misses his draw, and he still has the best hand at the river, Daniel usually checks to induce a bluff or just calls when he's in position. Link to post Share on other sites
strappazon 0 Posted May 15, 2009 Share Posted May 15, 2009 Daniel's a freak. Just sayin' Link to post Share on other sites
fe_devil 0 Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 He plays pairs with caution, he protects his whole stack not what is on the table when he just has a pair Link to post Share on other sites
Mills 0 Posted May 28, 2010 Share Posted May 28, 2010 In the second free hand anaylsis video where Dn raises UTG with J9 hearts and Wasika calls with K 10 spadesThe flop comes 6 8 10.DN checks, Wasika bets a small ball amount into the pot, I think 15 into a pot of 25.Wasika says he wants to keep the bet small enough that if he gets raised he's not committed. Okay I see that.DN then says his pot odds of calling 15 to win 40 so he definately is going to call.Now I undestand the small ball philosophy of pot control, chip preservation, etc.But didn't Wasika place his pot totally at risk by giving DN perfect pot odds to call?Wouldn't this be a situation where small ball is showing a pure defensive strength, but almost no offensive strength? DN was going to call a bigger raise I understand, but when he said definately going to call my first thought was small ball made it much easier for the other players to chase draws. If Paul knew what DN had, a draw, he could make him pay and or give him bad odds to call.I understand that as a general strategy the small ball has great strengths, but on a draw heavy board, don't you want to abandon small ball and price people out of pots?You might want to get advice from a better player, but I think I would do the same thing while playing against a range.There are a couple of reasonsthe first one is the one Wasika mentioned, you don't want to inflate the pot with just a pair, in case you get raised. The second one, imo, is that a bigger bet there scares off the draw customers. I induce a call there building the pot a bit with what figures to be the best hand knowing I am potentially playing against some sort of draw, and re-evaluating the turn if a scare card hits. As you said, if he had bet a bit bigger, daniel may peel one off anyway, this keeps us out of trouble while still getting money in the pot. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted May 29, 2010 Author Share Posted May 29, 2010 You might want to get advice from a better player, but I think I would do the same thing while playing against a range.There are a couple of reasonsthe first one is the one Wasika mentioned, you don't want to inflate the pot with just a pair, in case you get raised. The second one, imo, is that a bigger bet there scares off the draw customers. I induce a call there building the pot a bit with what figures to be the best hand knowing I am potentially playing against some sort of draw, and re-evaluating the turn if a scare card hits. As you said, if he had bet a bit bigger, daniel may peel one off anyway, this keeps us out of trouble while still getting money in the pot.I see what you are saying, but the entire purpose of pot odds is that you can make calls because in the long game, you will make money making these calls if the pot odds are on your side.So the 'correct play' would be to bet an amount that doesn't give the person the correct pot odds. This way in the long game, they will lose money. Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted May 31, 2010 Share Posted May 31, 2010 The draws are not always gonna get there. Link to post Share on other sites
Balloon guy 158 Posted June 2, 2010 Author Share Posted June 2, 2010 The draws are not always gonna get there.How many times have you said this to yourself on your way out the door? Link to post Share on other sites
nutzbuster 7 Posted June 2, 2010 Share Posted June 2, 2010 How many times have you said this to yourself on your way out the door?I know, right? I seem to never hit draws yet conversly get punked almost every time I value town and let them draw.But the best in the bizz remind me all the time that they will not always get there.... so I try to keep believing.taint easy. Link to post Share on other sites
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